It’s allowed to go parachuting, but when you go parachuting we teach you that it is dangerous and that sometimes people die or get hurt. It’s not necessarily their fault that they got hurt, but at the end of the day the result is the same. If the risks aren’t acceptable to you then of you know of them, you can decide to not take the risks and not go parachuting.
In an ideal world, nobody would get hurt, your chute would work every time, and you would always land perfectly. But in the real world, people do get hurt and while we can and do strive to make safer and safer parachutes, getting on that plane still means that there are risks.
This doesn’t mean that the people getting hurt are to blame for going parachuting. It’s a fun activity that is usually safe, but if you don’t want to get hurt then don’t do the activity that puts you in danger.
This also doesn’t mean that if someone were to push you off the plane, that person didn’t have your blood on their hands. In the case of nudes leaking there is always a perpetrator who ought to be held accountable, it doesn’t just “happen”. But the internet is a big plane with insane people, and getting on such a plane is a risk you take, and if it were a real plane we would similarly say “do not fly on this plane unless you’re absolutely certain you have everything on lock, because it is extremely dangerous”
Agreed. Sharing nudes is risky, and something people should consider wisely.
I just don’t agree with the weird victim blaming that is going on here and the idea that if a woman shares her photos then she shouldn’t expect any privacy.
I think you’re buying too much of the self-righteous asshole’s perspective. He’s the only one dismissing it. Normal people dismiss bad stuff in this EXECT SAME way. It’s the same as the people who respond to news of a rape with, “what was she wearing?”
The comic is explicitly showing that the attitude is wrong even when applied to lesser things like nudes leaking.
Not op and I don’t think they forfeit that right at all.
What I have wrestled with is: where is the line between taking precautions against known threats and victim blaming?
Maybe the line is temporal.
After someone is victimized, we can acknowledge that and maybe keep our mouths shut with victim blaming nonsense like, “you should have done XYZ”. Because that doesn’t help, further hurts the victim, and saying it makes you an asshole.
Prior to being victimized isn’t it up to each of us to evaluate and manage personal risks given all the threats we face every day? I think so and I think each of us is responsible for learning about and managing risk and deciding what precautions to take.
That isn’t to say we must take every precaution no matter how impractical or outrageous (like not walking on the sidewalk or never taking nude selfies).
It is never acceptable to tell someone else what their risk tolerance is or to dictate to them what precautions to take.
Doing that is being an asshole.
And I now believe that is where the line is drawn.
It is shitty to tell others how to live their life. It is good, however, to be willing to help people be aware of and understand the risks they face and offer advice if asked, on mitigating those risks. Provided your goal is to help and you don’t act like a sanctimonious ass.
Whatever we do, we may still be victimized and the blame always rests squarely on the shoulders of the perpetrator. They took the action that victimized us.
If you couldn’t tell I do cybersecurity as a living. My job isn’t to manage risk, it’s to help others achieve their objectives while understanding and managing risks they face.
It’s obnoxious for people to tell people what risks to take. And demonstrates a complete lack of compassion to lecture people when these risks don’t pan out.
That’s the issue here, which people seem to be missing.
I enjoy sending my social security number to people I know. Should I expect anything other than identity fraud? There are consequences to your actions and there’s no reason to send nudes to someone that could leak them.
Yes I do but it would be their fault if my info got leaked. Similarly, if I sent a nude to my spouse, it would be their fault if it got leaked. I’m both cases, extreme care is to be taken and sensitive things should only be sent to trustworthy parties.
So if someone enjoys something that isn’t strictly required to live, they forfeit any implicit right to safety and privacy?
No, but they should understand the risks.
It’s allowed to go parachuting, but when you go parachuting we teach you that it is dangerous and that sometimes people die or get hurt. It’s not necessarily their fault that they got hurt, but at the end of the day the result is the same. If the risks aren’t acceptable to you then of you know of them, you can decide to not take the risks and not go parachuting.
In an ideal world, nobody would get hurt, your chute would work every time, and you would always land perfectly. But in the real world, people do get hurt and while we can and do strive to make safer and safer parachutes, getting on that plane still means that there are risks.
This doesn’t mean that the people getting hurt are to blame for going parachuting. It’s a fun activity that is usually safe, but if you don’t want to get hurt then don’t do the activity that puts you in danger.
This also doesn’t mean that if someone were to push you off the plane, that person didn’t have your blood on their hands. In the case of nudes leaking there is always a perpetrator who ought to be held accountable, it doesn’t just “happen”. But the internet is a big plane with insane people, and getting on such a plane is a risk you take, and if it were a real plane we would similarly say “do not fly on this plane unless you’re absolutely certain you have everything on lock, because it is extremely dangerous”
Agreed. Sharing nudes is risky, and something people should consider wisely.
I just don’t agree with the weird victim blaming that is going on here and the idea that if a woman shares her photos then she shouldn’t expect any privacy.
It’s definitely the same for people who aren’t women. But the author decided to go with what they did.
I think you’re buying too much of the self-righteous asshole’s perspective. He’s the only one dismissing it. Normal people dismiss bad stuff in this EXECT SAME way. It’s the same as the people who respond to news of a rape with, “what was she wearing?”
The comic is explicitly showing that the attitude is wrong even when applied to lesser things like nudes leaking.
Not op and I don’t think they forfeit that right at all.
What I have wrestled with is: where is the line between taking precautions against known threats and victim blaming?
Maybe the line is temporal.
After someone is victimized, we can acknowledge that and maybe keep our mouths shut with victim blaming nonsense like, “you should have done XYZ”. Because that doesn’t help, further hurts the victim, and saying it makes you an asshole.
Prior to being victimized isn’t it up to each of us to evaluate and manage personal risks given all the threats we face every day? I think so and I think each of us is responsible for learning about and managing risk and deciding what precautions to take.
That isn’t to say we must take every precaution no matter how impractical or outrageous (like not walking on the sidewalk or never taking nude selfies).
It is never acceptable to tell someone else what their risk tolerance is or to dictate to them what precautions to take.
Doing that is being an asshole.
And I now believe that is where the line is drawn.
It is shitty to tell others how to live their life. It is good, however, to be willing to help people be aware of and understand the risks they face and offer advice if asked, on mitigating those risks. Provided your goal is to help and you don’t act like a sanctimonious ass.
Whatever we do, we may still be victimized and the blame always rests squarely on the shoulders of the perpetrator. They took the action that victimized us.
If you couldn’t tell I do cybersecurity as a living. My job isn’t to manage risk, it’s to help others achieve their objectives while understanding and managing risks they face.
Well said. It’s all risk management.
It’s obnoxious for people to tell people what risks to take. And demonstrates a complete lack of compassion to lecture people when these risks don’t pan out.
That’s the issue here, which people seem to be missing.
People should know how computers work before they take pictures of their naughty bits with it.
Actually people should have a basic understanding of anything they’ve built a significant portion of their lives in or on.
But here we are, apparently.
Interesting interpretation of their comment
False dilemma says what?
I enjoy sending my social security number to people I know. Should I expect anything other than identity fraud? There are consequences to your actions and there’s no reason to send nudes to someone that could leak them.
And yet you send your security number to banks and your job. Curious.
Yes I do but it would be their fault if my info got leaked. Similarly, if I sent a nude to my spouse, it would be their fault if it got leaked. I’m both cases, extreme care is to be taken and sensitive things should only be sent to trustworthy parties.