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  • Hey that’s a really good point lets see what scientific literature says about that:

    4.1. Evidence Considerations-To date, only sixteen studies have looked at actual health-related outcomes in dogs and cats fed vegan diets, as opposed to performing nutrient evaluations of diets. However, the majority of these studies utilized small sample sizes (ranging from 2–34 animals) for the direct investigation of outcomes. Whilst survey studies evaluating guardian-reported outcomes generally encompassed larger numbers of animals, these are subject to inherent biases due to participant selection, as well as the reliability of lay people making judgements around somewhat subjective concepts, such as health and body condition.

    It then goes on to say:

    The risk of bias assessment performed on the experimental trials suggests, at best, an unclear risk of bias across the studies. There were some particular aspects of poor performance (or reporting), especially around randomization and blinding. This has been reported previously in animal studies [42], where researchers have probably not taken on board some of these important facets of experimental design and reporting to the extent that human clinical researchers have [43,44]. This remains a major concern impeding reproducibility, and where internal validity of the study is impacted, also leads to wastage of animal and financial resources [42].

    Seems like the science backs your claim up partially. I would call it bias instead of lying though.

    Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9860667/





  • Kroxx@lemm.eetomemes@lemmy.worldI was only gone for a day or two...
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    Did you actually read the article? Cause I did and here are some highlights from the article regarding felines specifically:

    Sample sizes are tiny

    3.2. Feline Studies-Meta-analysis was considered if more than one study presented the same outcome data. However, meta-analyses of these data were not possible due to (1) differences or lack of a comparison group, e.g., a meat-based diet comparator or (2) no presentation of a measure of central tendency or dispersion to input into the model.

    Hypokalemia is: a low level of potassium (K+) in the blood serum.[1] Mild low potassium does not typically cause symptoms.[3] Symptoms may include feeling tired, leg cramps, weakness, and constipation.[1] Low potassium also increases the risk of an abnormal heart rhythm, which is often too slow and can cause cardiac arrest

    3.2.1. Hematology/Biochemistry-Only three studies [27,29,30] have carried out hematological and/or biochemical analysis of blood in cats that were fed vegetarian diets, and it is worth noting that sample sizes were low. Cats on a high-protein vegetarian diet exhibited hypokalemia which accompanied recurrent polymyopathy [29]. There was also increased creatinine kinase activity, likely reflecting the muscle damage caused by the myopathy, and reduced urinary potassium concentrations.

    Myopathy is: a disease of the muscle[1] in which the muscle fibers do not function properly.

    3.2.3. Clinical Findings-In cats fed vegetarian diets that were supplemented with potassium, a myopathy was seen within 2 weeks of the dietary change [29]. This was characterized by ventroflexion of the head and the neck. The cats also showed lateral head resting, a stiff gait, muscular weakness, unsteadiness, and the occasional tremor of the head and pinnae… Weight loss and poor coat condition have also been observed in cats fed vegetarian diets [29,30]. However, most cats in another study had a normal coat condition and no obviously diet-related clinical abnormalities picked up by clinical examination [27]. Clinical signs of lethargy with altered mentation, dysorexia, and muscle wasting, along with gut signs of bloating and increased borborygmi have also been observed [30].

    These are guardian based reports which means there is significant bias from the owner to report positive effects and look over the negatives

    3.2.4. Guardian-Reported Health Effects-Guardians generally believed that the transition to a meat-free diet had been positive. These studies are valuable, as large sample sizes of respondents (animals) are generally employed. Some guardians did notice an increase in stool volume but noted no issues with consistency [27]. When considering other aspects, coat condition was shinier [27], there was an improved scent of their animals (particularly relating to breath odor) [27], there was a tendency to be at the ideal body condition score rather than being obese [28,31].

    This is about as close as you can get to justifying it , IF you fixate on ONE aspect and ignore everything else in the journal article:

    Dodd et al. (2021) [31] collected dietary information for 1026 cats, of whom 187 were fed vegan diets. The latter were more frequently reported by guardians to be in very good health. They had more ideal body condition scores and were less likely to suffer from gastrointestinal and hepatic disorders than cats that were fed meat. No health disorders were found to be more likely in cats that were fed vegan diets. The reported differences were statistically significant.

    So please explain to me how myopathy setting in and causing tremors after only two weeks of transitioning to a non meat based diet is good for cats?

    So for the record you are dead flat wrong by your own damn source because you didn’t read it or you ignored all the bad parts.


  • reproduction studies

    What the hell are you talking about, what is a reproduction study?

    You either mean a reproducible study or a study specifically on something reproducing which is irrelevant. Again you don’t even know what you are talking about and 3 from college, I work in industry now so I don’t publish. We also directly collaborate with a large university and a national laboratory, so I know a thing or two about how grant funding is acquired from both an academic and industrial side(industries such as mine actually fund studies that do get publicly published). There are absolutely issues with politics in academia, it just isn’t what you are describing.



  • Kroxx@lemm.eetolinuxmemes@lemmy.worldTrue?
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    I switched to mint 2ish months ago and a friend of mine switched to fedora at the same time. Both new from windows, I have had no issues with mint but he has now switched to Debian cause he was having issues getting discord to work properly.

    OOTB experience with mint is it works, it kinda feels like cheating having a distro that works easily without tinkering. Like I don’t feel like a real Linux user haha, but I would 100% recommend it.

    The meme is very accurate imo, the text would definitely be “hello fellow linux users!” instead of youths haha!



  • Strong agree here. You hit on a lot of the core issues on LLMs, so I’ll say my opinions on the economic aspects.

    It’s been more than a year since chatGPT released this plague of “slap AI on the product and consumers will put their children down for collateral to buy!” which imo we haven’t seen whatsoever. Investors still have a hard-on for the term AI that goes into the stratosphere but even that is starting to change a little.

    Consumers level of AI distrust has risen considerably and consumers have seen past the hype. Wrapping this back around to the CEOs level of power, I just don’t think LLMs are actually going to have enough marketability for general consumers to become juggernaut corpos.

    LLMs absolutely have use cases but they don’t fit into most consumer products. No one wants AI washers or rice cookers or friggin AI spoons and shoehorning them in decreases interest in the product.