“Normalize women hitting on men” isn’t putting the responsibility on women. The opposite actually, most of the times it’s men who berate women for being “sluts” and whatnot. Society as a whole needs to normalize that, not just women.
… and where do you suppose those women learned that behavior?
Such judgments have been written, by men, into practically every religious, historical and news-based text for the greater part of the last thousand years, and passed down as dogma to men, women and children alike under penalty of ostricization or in some cases, death.
Brainwashing is not exclusive to one gender. And while inter-gender discrimination is not as well documented as inter-racial discrimination, both have existed as long as oppressors have made it their goal to weaken the oppressed by sewing division among them.
Please, try reading some history before you go on the internet spouting harmful opinions.
Did I say literally anything that would contradict your last comment? I know that, and I agree. That doesn’t change what I said.
You’re coming off as really aggressive for reasons I don’t understand. If suggesting women aren’t completely guiltless is a “harmful opinion” I don’t know what to tell you.
I’m not even playing devil’s advocate for anyone, I just wanted to add why, in fact, the normalization of women hitting on men could be a solution to the problem.
I’m not advocating for anything, because if you ask me “ok but how do we do that” I’d have no answer. Societal change is a hard thing to do and you can’t “normalize” something through sheer effort.
It was just a hypothetical for a what-if scenario, you’re the one who interpreted it as me putting the responsibility on women. I know a woman can’t just go “ok I’m gonna start hitting on men” in today’s society and expect things to go well, it was just a theory about what would happen if we lived in a society where that was already the norm.
this would probably solve itself if women hit on men as much as the opposite.
Also you:
you’re the one who interpreted it as me putting the responsibility on women.
Okay dude. Whatever you say.
And yes, societal change is hard, but just because you can’t think of any solutions, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. FWIW, there are plenty of practical ways to normalize behavior at the societal scale, some of the more violent & historically successful ones having already been mentioned earlier in this conversation.
One of the most powerful (non-violent) examples that comes to mind: popular film.
That was assuming it was already normalized. I didn’t mean it as “women should start hitting on men in the current society”. I said in that exact comment that it was just a theory.
And if movies worked it would’ve already been normalized. I definitely remember more women than men flirting in movies I’ve seen. But it’s different there because they usually hit on the main character, and most of the times men complaining about that aren’t the ones getting hit on. They’re the jealous ones that wish it happened to them.
(Just to be clear, yes, movies can work in normalizing stuff, just not on this specific topic imo.)
“Normalize women hitting on men” isn’t putting the responsibility on women. The opposite actually, most of the times it’s men who berate women for being “sluts” and whatnot. Society as a whole needs to normalize that, not just women.
If by “society” you mean men, then sure…
…unless you’re suggesting women need to change their behavior in order to not be perceived as “sluts”?
Careful what you imply, you might come off as ignorant.
Women also berate other women for being “sluts”. Men do it more but it’s absolutely not a gendered issue.
… and where do you suppose those women learned that behavior?
Such judgments have been written, by men, into practically every religious, historical and news-based text for the greater part of the last thousand years, and passed down as dogma to men, women and children alike under penalty of ostricization or in some cases, death.
Brainwashing is not exclusive to one gender. And while inter-gender discrimination is not as well documented as inter-racial discrimination, both have existed as long as oppressors have made it their goal to weaken the oppressed by sewing division among them.
Please, try reading some history before you go on the internet spouting harmful opinions.
Did I say literally anything that would contradict your last comment? I know that, and I agree. That doesn’t change what I said.
You’re coming off as really aggressive for reasons I don’t understand. If suggesting women aren’t completely guiltless is a “harmful opinion” I don’t know what to tell you.
I’m sorry for patronizing but IMO you should really ask yourself: what/who are you playing devil’s advocate for?
Because so far you’ve only made points that make you come off as:
I’m not even playing devil’s advocate for anyone, I just wanted to add why, in fact, the normalization of women hitting on men could be a solution to the problem.
I’m not advocating for anything, because if you ask me “ok but how do we do that” I’d have no answer. Societal change is a hard thing to do and you can’t “normalize” something through sheer effort.
It was just a hypothetical for a what-if scenario, you’re the one who interpreted it as me putting the responsibility on women. I know a woman can’t just go “ok I’m gonna start hitting on men” in today’s society and expect things to go well, it was just a theory about what would happen if we lived in a society where that was already the norm.
You:
Also you:
Okay dude. Whatever you say.
And yes, societal change is hard, but just because you can’t think of any solutions, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. FWIW, there are plenty of practical ways to normalize behavior at the societal scale, some of the more violent & historically successful ones having already been mentioned earlier in this conversation.
One of the most powerful (non-violent) examples that comes to mind: popular film.
That was assuming it was already normalized. I didn’t mean it as “women should start hitting on men in the current society”. I said in that exact comment that it was just a theory.
And if movies worked it would’ve already been normalized. I definitely remember more women than men flirting in movies I’ve seen. But it’s different there because they usually hit on the main character, and most of the times men complaining about that aren’t the ones getting hit on. They’re the jealous ones that wish it happened to them.
(Just to be clear, yes, movies can work in normalizing stuff, just not on this specific topic imo.)