One thing I absolutely cannot stand is the assumption that if you’re against the Israeli government, you must also be antisemitic. In many cases, nothing could be further from the truth.
The Israeli government is just as screwed up as any powerful government, and is not immune to criticism. Groundless accusations of antisemitism are often used to unfairly attack critics, distract the listener from valid criticisms, and derail the conversation.
Of course, many of those accusations are completely justified, which clouds the issue further.
It’s super tricky and problematic. Organizations like AIPAC have many American politicians in their pocket. They pump a huge amount of money into lobbying our government promoting Israeli interests. But this argument gets awfully close to “the Jews have all the money and control the world” type conspiracy thinking which is very frustrating.
Most definitely. Just as pointing out unwarranted accusations of antisemitism can sound like victim blaming, and saying that the Israeli government likes it that way can make you come off as a hateful, insensitive jerk.
Various world politicians “wrap themselves in the flag” all the time. Israeli politicians do the same thing, but they’ve done an especially good job of weaving religion and patriotism together.
It’s a tactic to call all criticism antisemitism.
Hell, the ADL was created to free a rapist murderer and try to frame a black man.
Yeah, that’s totally the only difference between the two parties.
Most “bipartisan bills” is about giving money to Israel.
Because much of US politics at the moment is wedge issues. The leadership of both parties agree that Israel has the right to exist, but there’s a split there too. Democrats have started calling out Israel’s excesses with settlers in the West Bank, extremist right wing politics, and intentional poisoning of any peace process. Meanwhile, Republicans have allied themselves to extremist right wing authoritarian Israel politicians.
The leadership of both parties agrees that the carrot (donor money etc) and the stick (Epstein type blackmail) works on them.
Trump was the first US president in my lifetime that did not start new wars.
First one in my lifetime to attempt to overthrow the government.
Your government. I don’t care about that. I care about the fact that for a brief period of 4 years American soldiers committed fewer murders around the world.
There are less US boots on the ground and less drone strikes under Biden than Trump
Which is good. Less murders is better than more murders.
Just ignoring that time he tried to provoke a war with Iran, huh.
Trump assassinated an Iranian general, who was largely responsible for the downfall of ISIS. This almost started a war, but for the fact that Iran shot down their own airliner.
You have a source for Trump killing fewer people around the world? Because from what I’ve seen, he killed more. The U.N. says that he killed more people in the middle easy than Obama and ordered more airstrikes.
Right, someone else drone strike Iran top general
That’s just objectively wrong, but go ahead with the disinformation.
If we consider the Koran War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, the war in Afghanistan and the Iraq War, Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945. - Linkhttps://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-modern-us-presidents-new-wa-idUSKBN2A22SN
This implies you know how old they are. They could have been born in 2016
Fwiw, all he said was that Trump was the first president in his lifetime to not start a new war. If he was born in 2016 or after, this would be correct by default. And judging by the quality of their comment, I wouldn’t put it past them
Unless the person you replied to is almost 70 years old, Eisenhower wasn’t president during their lifetime. They’d have to be over 50 for Nixon to have been, 60 for kennedy, 45 for Ford, 42 for Carter.
Reagan, Clinton, and Obama are probably the only ones applicable from your list, and “starting new wars” can be applied to a few of them in terms of the USA becoming infolved, as others have mentioned.
Technically Clinton brought us into conflict in Bosnia and Serbia.
Reagan had a bunch of military interventions in Latin America.
Yep, I was just pointing out that the person I replied to was wrong.
Obama involved us in Syria and supported the Saudis bombing Yemen.
Clinton got involved in the Balkans.
Reagan funded rebel groups in South America.
Carter… Actually idk anything this far back.
You should listen to Noam Chomsky. He’s very very liberal and has some good criticisms of the US involvement overseas. I don’t agree with everything he says but it’s worth listening to.
Do you believe the US military had no overseas involvement during the Trump administration?
Of course they did. Why are you even asking?
Our involvement in Syria was to annihilate ISIS, and was the largest post-WW2 coalition allied against a common enemy. Comsidering that they were about to genocide millions of people amd conquer half the middle east, ill give obama a pass. It would have beat watching LA amd London being actually nuked by terrorists.
So why is the US still occupying parts of Syria now when ISIS is long gone?
Good question:
“They are trying to prevent any comeback by the Islamic State group, which swept through Iraq and Syria in 2014, taking control of large swaths of territory.”
Per the AP
https://apnews.com/article/syria-us-troops-drone-attack-6194dca97f594e3609914637463c4ce3
They still have tens of thousands of former ISIS members stuck in jail waiting to get out and try it again.
Obama bombed Libya and Syria.
Stop spreading disinformation
Yeah it’s actually insane that the dude is accusing someone else of spreading misinformation and he’s covering up Syria and Libya. Lmao and people say this community is unbiased…
LOL, gave you a literal link supporting the statement. Facts don’t matter to some people I guess.
Obama bombing Libya and Syria is not a fact?
Read the link.
That’s your takeaway?
This would be like watching all of Breaking Bad and saying Walter White was just trying to earn some cash for his family.
Astounding.
i mean it’s a pretty important detail. Not starting wars is good.
He wanted to bomb shithole countries and kill terrorists’families but was too inept to know how to actually get it through congress. Painting him like a dove of peace is a weird way to interpret how shit played out
Dude… I hate Trump too but you’re blinded by your own emotions.
And…everything else…?
Some wars aren’t started, they’re defended against.
Yeah but he didn’t cure cancer. 👎
I didn’t know he was expected to.
Oh, I thought we were judging him on things he didn’t do.
My b.
every American president before Trump in my lifetime started a war.
I mean he certainly tried to start a civil war, he’s just so yuge of a failure at everything he does he bungled it.
I don’t care about that. I care about the fact that American soldiers committed fewer murders with Trump as president compared to GWB or Obama as president.
“The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families,” Trump said.
The Trump administration’s quiet decision this week to roll back part of an Obama-era transparency rule that mandated reporting of civilian casualties from airstrikes has renewed the stark debate over who dies, and how, in U.S. military action abroad.
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Well its pretty convenient to state that your guy didnt kill anyone if he orders the military and government to stop keeping count, now doesn’t it?
Thats like saying you arent broke because you refuse to look at your bank account and see those overdraft notices.
Biden actually pulled us out of Afghanistan. Trump had 4 years and punted. So -1 war count for Biden vs trump almost starting shit with Iran.
Ya want less war. Bidens your guy. It’s like he had a kid that served
he certainly is the coward’s man in office
better a coward than a murderer
aww that’s cute, the coward’s creed
is it too much to ask that American’s don’t murder anyone?
is that for here or to go, and would you like that as a combo
He literally wanted to bomb Mexico. What planet are you from?
did he though?
o well that is ok I suppose. FFS
He was also the first president to come into office already supporting gay marriage.
likewise I don’t care about America’s internal issues. The part I care about is that he killed fewer people than his predecessors.
As an Israeli I just want to say: Please someone marry me I need that foreign passport to get out of this shithole :(
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Israel is an apartheid state and fuck that shit. Instead of “Mowing the Lawn” (aka committing genocide by pushing Palestinians out of their homeland) and bombing schools and refugee camps, maybe try socialist policies that lift everyone up. Fuck fascism and fuck racism.
I realize there’s important nuances I’m overlooking, but I watch enough Democracy Now to know that tiptoeing around or staying silent just gives room for Israel fascists to spread lies based on their feelings, not the truth. This shit’s depressing but fuckin important.
And don’t take my word for it, check my sources!
Democracy Now: “Automated Apartheid”: How Israel Uses Facial Recognition to Track Palestinians & Control Movement Understand that no database of a single ethnic or marginalized group has ever had good consequences in history, remember 1930s Germany?
Democracy Now: From Drone Strikes to Settler Attacks, Israel Intensifies Effort to “Completely Take Over Palestine”
Democracy Now: Under Fire: Report from Jenin Refugee Camp on Israel’s Largest West Bank Attack in 20 Years
Democracy Now: “The Palestine Laboratory”: Antony Loewenstein on How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation
Jacobin: Israel Created the Refugees in Gaza That They’re Now Bombing
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thank you, Iranian Intelligence, for this memeage
No problem Mossad.
shit man, i wish i had their gear
and i’m not saying you’re Intelligence… i just wanted them to know their work was appreciated… they probably don’t get much thanks outside of official channels…
i mean, no yeah, i absolutely am a secret agent, so you know… watch your asses…
“Everybody I disagree with must be working for Russian/Iranian intelligence”
Yeah, it’s very frustrating because the MSS works very hard and gets no credit.
Main stream shmedia?
Ministry of State Security, aka China’s CIA
Oh, thanks. Never heard of them.
BECAUSE THEY’RE THAT GOOD!
don’t get hysterical
you’re the hysterical one
okay nice try son
Americans when you say to vote 3rd party
Vote better voting first. Any kind of preference polling would open the door to actually party reform and 3rd party viability. Ranked Choice Voting (fairvote.org) or anything other than first past the post as we mostly have now is a huge improvement.then vote 3rd party first, followed by the lesser of the old two evils. In no time that 3rd party will be a top contender, but only once we fix our voting system.
One party is actively banning books…
And that’s just the tip of their Christofascist iceberg.
Primary for democrats and then yell at them once they’re elected. A lot.
Politics isn’t a consumption based economy. It doesn’t change until you change it. MAGA people understand this.
They’re counting on your apathy. Don’t let them.
3rd party
Bloods and Crips will keep being distractions from real change in the long term.
Third party is voting for the fascist party. There aren’t enough floating votes for this system for a 3rd party to have a chance
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Ranked Choice Voting (fairvote.org) or any other preference polling voting system significantly mitigates that problem.
Then 3rd party can be a real strength for the political system, not just a weapon to use against your opponents.
You forgot to barf up the word “ethnostate” right after you barfed up “christofascist”.
Are you saying they aren’t DOING that very thing?
Are you saying they AREN’T that very thing?No, I’m just remarking on the canned vernacular people are importing from reddit.
That can wouldn’t be opened if people would stop giving it to us.
Oh boy the enlightened centerist postings are here.
Yep no difference between fascists and imperfect governance
There’s generally two types of criticism against both parties.
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The speaker is centrist and dislikes both equally (enlightened centrism)
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The speaker is leftist and is criticizing both right wing parties for doing something right wing
(Right wing critics usually just pretend to be centrist)
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From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free 🇵🇸🗝️
The only way for Israel to give up claim of Palestinian territories is to help the strong opposition win over Likud-led Right-wing coalition
Israel will never willingly give up the land they stole, the core of Zionist ideology is settler colonialism. The high court and the mainstream opposition parties made it clear that they are neither willing to let Jewish people coexist with Palestinians as equals nor dismantle the oppressive Zionist state.
It is very short-sighted of you to claim that the only way to return land to their rightful owners is by voting for people who explicitly don’t want to do that.
they can’t see this unfortunately, that instance has lemmygrad blocked
That’s a shame.
Holy shit, Lenny based???
Slightly. There’s hope yet.
Or new platform worth booting propaganda
Americans are merciless serial killers?
Wait, dont answer that.
We as a country, are the baddies.
The people’s compassion is sadly not represented in government.
Maybe we could get like a change.org petition going to replace the stars and stripes with a rat’s anus?
Hhhaaaa, I don’t think people will go for it!
I like the one where they replace the stars with corp. logos.
Blanking on which yter has that as their background.
yes they are.
The two parties fight to give Saudi Arabia free money and weapons too.
There’s a difference between defensive weapons of bidens admin. It actually pissed the Saudis off quite a bit and lead to them manipulating oil prices
Biden cut Saudi Arabia off, which is why they are allying with Iran.
Can’t fathom that Americans aren’t bothered enough by this
I’ve seen Palestinian crowds chanting “Death to all Jews.” The gangrape of that reporter started by one dude in crowd deciding she’s a Jew and therefore fair game. A flash mob realizing a car is in the wrong neighborhood and immediately trying to kill them. Random rocket attacks on civilians foiled only by tech that costs 100x the weapons it defends against.
I’m not saying Israel is justified, or they aren’t on their way to outright fascism, or they don’t get some murder and torture in on their own.
I’m saying violence is a perpetual suffering machine that in this case is too late to solve, but we’re forgetting the British started it all, let’s invade England and execute the monarchy.
Oh I think you misunderstood some things there. I see a israeli security minister that is a straight up a right wing extremist. I see that cars from Palestinians can’t enter certain regions in order for them to not get into the “wrong” neighbourhoods. And most importantly of all I see journalists killed by the IDF. Imagine you are oppressed by a apartheid state that was put onto your land by some imperialistic force, but then expands even further into “your” territorry and surpresses you. I do NOT condone the actions by the Hamas. But when Palestinians see violence as the only way out I can see why.
And now you’re an Israeli who sees a radical Palestinian and says to themselves “well fuck these guys too then.”
You see how this works? I don’t feel like the cycle of violence is a new observation. I feel like you should already know one side being bad doesn’t make the other good.
Yeah thing is that the gov of Israel is the source of the “cycle”. They create facts by building Israeli settlements on Palestinian territories and say “Welp guess you can’t live there any longer”, they commit warcrimes by falsely stating that they won’t attack, then airstrike, keep normal civilian Palestinians in the world’s largest open air prisons and only continue to strengthen their grip on the Palestinian people.
Israel is the only party that can actually stop the violence. If the Hamas would stop their attacks it wouldn’t mean that the Palestinians will be treated equal to Israelis by the state. That’s like saying Ukrainians should stop defending their territory cuz they only prolong the suffering that way.
And for most Israelis it’s sadly “fuck the Palestinians” and not “specifically fuck the actually radical Palestinians” thanks to rigorous propaganda.
When Israel was broadly behaving like they didn’t have a wannabe fascist dictator obsessed with an Israeli Manifest Destiny as PM it didn’t stop Hamas either. Do you think if Netanyahu goes to prison where he belongs they’ll suddenly accept the two state solution?
Because as it is only Fatah seems willing to accept that, and they’re hemorrhaging support.
“I’ve seen Palestinian crowds chanting “Death to all Jews.””
Yeah no shit. That’s a natural reaction to jewish people suddenly invading their country and killing their families. Try harder
“It’s completely normal to scream for genocide. No, obviously Israel doesn’t get the same benefit in this multi-generational conflict initially caused by outside sources.”
And you great minds wonder why people assume being anti-Israel is just hidden anti-Semitism lol
You’re really asking for nuance from people who have just seen their homes and family members get blown to bits… Jfc get real
“Nuance”
Sure bro, real big nuance to not advocate for genocide.
You expect an essay from a group of people chanting in the streets? Lol
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