• foggy@lemmy.world
    93·
    1 year ago

    I think Google overestimates my Internet addiction and underestimates my steadfast hatred of advertisements.

    • Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world
      132·
      1 year ago

      Been on chrome for like 12 years. Syncs across my phone, everything. I will make the switch. I have been wondering when google was going to go evil. Why not 2023 like everything else on the internet?

        • Tak@lemmy.ml
          3·
          1 year ago

          Dodge v. Ford is arguably the court case that proves all capitalist owned companies are legally required to not do the right thing. If Google was worked owned they would be a lot better.

    • Mikina@programming.dev
      2·
      1 year ago

      I love this quote, it exactly sums up my sentiments.

      I’m actually looking forward to it, because it will finally force me to go cold turkey on so many bullshit websites I don’t need in my life anyway, which I was never able to do on my own, because the addiction simply is there. But not as strong ans my hatred of fingerprinting and advertisements.

  • original_ish_name@lemm.ee
    84·
    1 year ago

    Google can do whatever bullshit they want, I am still not letting go of adblock

    I won’t use sites with WEI or adblock blockers

    I won’t use chromium

    You can lead the sheep to the spyware but you can’t force them to open it

    • Domriso@kbin.social
      19·
      1 year ago

      Hm, can we make an anti-WEI movement? Have a bunch of websites block browsers using WEI, to force it away?

      I know that won’t actually work, but a man can dream…

      • millions @lemmy.oneEnglish
        5·
        1 year ago

        and then 75% of people can’t use your website and then people stop using it? That wouldn’t work

        • Domriso@kbin.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          I mean, yeah, that’s why I said it wouldn’t work. Maybe if there was a website that was big enough that it would drive people to use non-WEI browsers if they couldn’t access it, but any website big enough to do that would also want WEI for ad venue.

      • Maxy@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        162·
        1 year ago

        Except safari of course (almost 20% market share).

        Also, there are plenty of other browsers using Mozilla’s gecko engine. A quote from Wikipedia: “ Other web browsers using Gecko include GNU IceCat, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox.” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software))

        • Zerush@lemmy.ml
          1·
          1 year ago

          Yes, certainly, but all of these, if they want to sync their data, or use a own selfhosted server or have to use those of Mozilla with an account, giving with it datas to Alphabet (Google) and googleanalytics. Sync is essential if you use the browser in several PC, PC and Mobile or simply as backup if the PC fails or you buy a new one and don’t want to lose your bookmarks, passwords and other data. Forks are a lot out there, also very nice ones, but most of these lacks the basic infrastructure, depending on a lot of third party services. A browser isn’t only an app to surf the web, it’s a continuos work, maintance, servers and most important, a good and active community. How many forks offer all this? There are almost 100 different browsers out there and other 70 which had said Game over for us, from people which thought “Nice, its easy to fork this engine making it to my like and gain a lot of customers”, nice short dream with a product oversaturated in the market.

      • Zerush@lemmy.ml
        23·
        1 year ago

        Firefox have the same problem with the WEI filter, they also have to insert in Firefox the Google Token, same as any other, if he want to enter a Web with this fucking filter, anyway Mozilla will do this in FF precisely because several Google devs in Mozilla which are working on FF (Bad decision of Mozilla to have Google as main sponsor). Ad/trackerblocker are not the problem in Vivaldi, it has inbuild the needed filters (even those to block Cookie advices and adblocker warnings) and until now it has gutt out every Google intent with FloC, IdleAPI and others to control the Chromium base (remember, also Chromium is FOSS and customizable,above with first class devs Vivaldi has), also don’t have and don’t depends on extern inversors, but this fucking WEI DRM of websites is a greater problem and need to be avoided by ALL browser companies which are not Google in common, if there is not a genius which invent something to fake this Google Token. We’ll see.

  • wrath-sedan@kbin.social
    41·
    1 year ago

    Honestly just shocked how well Adblockalypse rolls off the tongue despite being the linguistic equivalent of three kids in a trench coat

  • empireOfLove@lemmy.oneEnglish
    32·
    1 year ago

    Users when company who makes billions in profit off of ads modifies their browser to forcefully show more ads: 🤯😟

    • Pyro@pawb.socialEnglish
      18·
      1 year ago

      The issue beyond them trying to change chromium to not have it but they are trying to make it so part of websites have the “security” built in as well

    • edric@lemm.ee
      131·
      1 year ago

      The problem is they have the lion’s share of users, so they can force websites to adhere to their policies and those sites will stop working in FF.

      • baked_tea@lemmy.world
        51·
        1 year ago

        Google is the source of most of the funding to Firefox. Can go 100 to 0 anytime basically

        • sexy_peach@feddit.deMEnglish
          7·
          1 year ago

          You’re assuming that this will kill FF instantly instead of them finding new ways to fund themselves. Not saying the situation is good, but it’s not that bad.

    • Mikina@programming.dev
      11·
      1 year ago

      We know how it will impact Firefox. They will be deeply concerned with WEI and extremely opposing it, but will implement it anyway because they are forced to do it.

      It’s going to go exactly like this. Again.

      With most competing browsers and the content industry embracing the W3C EME WEI specification, Mozilla has little choice but to implement EME WEI as well so our users can continue to access all content they want to enjoy.

      And that is almost a direct quote.

    • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
      7·
      1 year ago

      It’s serverside with browser support. A webserver implements it on their site, so it could refuse to load without WEI regardless of chromium or not.

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
          3·
          1 year ago

          I don’t know. I just had a discussion where someone told me it’d unrealistic to give up YouTube for the alternatives and yadda yadda yadda. It bears reminding that not everyone is as privacy-minded and make up nowhere near a majority. Not caring what happens because you aren’t using chromium is dangerous. It’s still about you and it’s still going to affect you.

          • LinkOpensChest.wav@midwest.social
            2·
            1 year ago

            It’s not that I don’t care. I intend to do whatever I can to help prevent it. But at the end of the day, if people keep supporting platforms like YouTube, then I see the enshittification of the internet as inevitable. We’re literally welcoming it by doing so.

        • Mikina@programming.dev
          2·
          1 year ago

          Been there, done that. Spoiler alert, it ends with even more people switching to chromium, Mozilla crying that it’s deeply concerned with and extremely opposing WEI and will work on figuring out a better solution, because WEI is not what Open Web should be, but is being forced to implement it, because people are switching to other browsers because their shit ain’t working.

          I wager the post on Mozilla’s blog is going to read something like this blog-post about EME (the closed-source video DRM) from few years back. I mean, you can just replace EME with WEI and be done with it. Because this has already happened once before, and we know how exactly it will end.

          With most competing browsers and the content industry embracing the W3C EME WEI specification, Mozilla has little choice but to implement EME WEI as well so our users can continue to access all content they want to enjoy.

    • Gamey@feddit.rocks
      51·
      1 year ago

      Yea, because the other browsers certainly won’t follow if users complain because Youtube and co. dont work anymore…

        • Gamey@feddit.rocks
          73·
          1 year ago

          You really don’t realize how stupid that take is? If Google manages to establish this all major browsers will have follow and a single complain less won’t change that…

          • LinkOpensChest.wav@midwest.social
            414·
            1 year ago

            I simply will not use the internet until another browser is available? Use that little head.

            Reported for being disproportionately hostile. There is no reason to attack someone over something as silly as web browsers.

      • Mikina@programming.dev
        2·
        1 year ago

        That’s not how it works.

        Your bank will implement WEI API. Facebook will too, same as Gmail or Youtube. Any browser that does not support or has removed the WEI API will not be able to display or use any of those websites. It’s the same with Netflix or Spotify - if you try to use it in a more privacy-centered browser, it simply does not work - because it those browsers do not support EME API (which is a DRM that was implemented few years ago, but for media). Firefox was against it, by the way. Firefox also quickly backed down and implemented it anyway once it rolled out, because “We ArE FoRcEd tO Do It”, due to their already dwindling marketshare and people complaining and switching to other browsers because their shit ain’t working on Firefox.

        Everyone keeps saying “I will never use a browser that does support WEI!”, but somehow it feels like they don’t really realize that their internet will simply stop working for most of the content they consume, since there’s no reason for Google or Facebook to not use this opportunity to forcefeed more ads to people.

    • Spudwart@lemmy.worldOP
      14·
      1 year ago

      Web Environment Integrity API, an API that will gather metadata about your system setup, hardware and software, as well as if you have any extensions installed. Only WEI compliant browsers will be able to view WEI compliant webpages.

    • Domriso@kbin.social
      15·
      1 year ago

      They’re attempting to push what is essentially DRM onto the internet, so websites can block you if you don’t use their special browser.

  • MrRazamataz@lemmy.world
    5·
    1 year ago

    Edge on (android, not sure about iOS) mobile has “Adblock Plus” built in that can be enabled. Sure, I’d rather UBlock Origin like on my pc but when/if that stops working on Edge desktop, I wonder if they’d add a similar built in thing to desktop…

    • Ivan171@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      I installed AdGuard Home on a spare Android phone I have. Been using it as my DNS server for over a week now. It’s working beautifully.