… You know, reading some of the replies and attitudes here towards the nudes part, the phrase “It’s her fault for dressing so provocatively” comes to mind.
Edit: Compassion 101, because apparently we’re doing this:
You have no right to tell anyone what to do with their body provided that everyone consents and fully understands the situation.
If you know things that they might have missed, gently let them know, but back off if they don’t want your input.
If something bad happens to someone, even if it is their fault, for the love of god don’t lecture them on how it was their fault. Give them emotional support and advice on how to fix things, not what they should have done in the past.
Given the state of privacy we have and how companies treat security, I’d rather compare it to going shopping while leaving the door of your house wide open. Yes, if something gets stolen, the thieve is still the criminal. It is still not a great idea. I’d say no nudes or do it with an analogue camera and develop the photos yourself. I’d also say, this rule is unisex.
Yeah, but the correct response to that is “okay, you should have checked that the door was locked before you headed off” rather than “well, you should never leave your house because the lockpicking lawyer can unlock doors in seconds”.
It’s a massive overcorrection imo to say that because there’s a chance they might get leaked then it’s her “fault” for doing it in the first place.
It’s also misogynistic as hell to blame a woman because she trusted a man who betrayed that trust.
Who is blaming? It is simply a warning. If you take nudes (male or female or diverse) expect it to appear somewhere. We don’t have privacy, privacy is a thing of the past.
I think the key thing people need to realize here is that digital security on consumer devices is not a priority for any corporation. So it’s like you closed your door, but it’s actually just a sheet of cardboard. It looks really good, most people think it’s a wooden door. But it’s not.
Given the state of privacy we have and how companies treat security, I’d rather compare it to going shopping while leaving the door of your house wide open.
He literally says “never take any selfies” in the comic. ‘Going shopping and leaving your door open’ doesn’t make any sense in this context. What if you take a selfie, and (safely, however that would be) give it to your partner.
Five years later you break up and they post it online. How is that ‘leaving the door to your house open’ exactly?
What about making an analog video with a partner, again you break up later, and it’s put online. Is that ‘leaving the door to your house open’?
Or are you agreeing with the comic and saying women (or anyone really) should never ever take pictures/videos/etc of themselves naked/otherwise compromised, because the image/etc could go online?
If you give someone something, you can’t really control what they do with it and if you don’t want them to have that power or don’t trust them not to abuse it you probably shouldn’t give that to them in the first place, as a general principle. This applies equally to a woman’s nudes, a guy’s nudes, your house keys, etc.
And I’d keep anything even vaguely sensitive info-wise protected by a strong password as a minimum as an at least mild deterrent for internet weirdos that you aren’t actually giving the thing to. Because you can go after said weirdos, but you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.
And I love unisex rules that apply almost exclusively to women!
…only because no one has any empathy for a guy whose pics get used in ways he doesn’t want. Basically it’s not that the rule isn’t really unisex, but that people only care when the possible bad result happens to a woman (or some flavor of non-cis person).
Hell, there are Facebook groups that in a practical sense mostly function to let women who are unhappy drag on their exes and try to ruin potential future relationships for them, couched in claims that they exist to protect women from predators. Including occasionally passing around nudes of the dudes in question, if they think it’ll get mocked. Those are unlikely to be going anywhere, and any serious attempt to remove them will get reported on as creepy dudes on the internet trying to harass women into no longer being able to protect themselves from creepy dudes on the internet.
That would only be an equivalent if you had the alternative of storing all your belongings in your own personal extradimensional space which is inaccessible to the thief, but instead chose to leave all your valuables sitting on your coffee table. It should be safe there, but it’s going to be a lot safer if it doesn’t occupy the same realm as the thief or the shitty lock.
The difference is that your house and TV are physical. You can try to secure them but, there’s nowhere else to put them.
Unless you are snapping polaroids or using actual film, nude selfies are not physical things, just data. Data that exists purely offline is going to be as secure as any physical object, but data on a connected device or in a server somewhere is only as secure as the weakest link in the chain. Given the evaporation of privacy and the ever increasing trend of connecting accounts and storing everything in the cloud, and the overabundance of permissions that apps demand, it takes consistent effort to keep your data secure.
How would you treat a picture of your credit card info? Or all your logins and passwords? Would you be comfortable just leaving it in your phone’s picture gallery? Would you knowingly store it in an icloud or onedrive account? Who would you be comfortable sending it to? How would you send it? Do you trust that other person’s data security practices?
If you’re going to have a credit card, you should be aware of the potential risks so that you can protect yourself. It’s not all or nothing, there will always be some risk but the key is to be aware so you can make informed decisions and manage that risk. The same goes for any data which you want to remain private, including nudes.
Owning vs not owning is binary, all or nothing, a strict dichotomy.
Data security and risk management is a vast spectrum of possibilities. We all make decisions about those risks, whether we acknowledge it or not. The risk is real, but not completely beyond our control. The more aware we are of the actual risks, and of the ways in which those risks can be mitigated, the more prepared we can be to make informed decisions. It’s not just whether or not you do something, but also how you do it.
Ignoring risks doesn’t negate them. Privacy violations shouldn’t happen, but that doesn’t mean they won’t. The violator is the one who is wrong, the victim doesn’t deserve it, but that doesn’t undo what happened to them to make them the victim. Maybe we can make a better world someday where these things don’t happen, but until we do, this the reality we have to live with, and all we can do is exercise our best judgement.
You are free to take and send nudes, but with how shit some people are and how much shit gets hacked, you’re taking a risk with that move that those photos get leaked.
That just attracts certain creeps even more. They like nudes of unattractive people because it is its own kind of a validation that her boyfriend entirely demolished her trust for him (and that’s a big kink of them), because there’s no way she’s couldn’t tell she’s not attractive and therefore wouldn’t want everybody to body-shame her and that’s why she shared the pictures with utmost trust.
I have seen such degenerates. They make incredibly disgusting and disheartening comments on the victim.
… You know, reading some of the replies and attitudes here towards the nudes part, the phrase “It’s her fault for dressing so provocatively” comes to mind.
Edit: Compassion 101, because apparently we’re doing this:
Given the state of privacy we have and how companies treat security, I’d rather compare it to going shopping while leaving the door of your house wide open. Yes, if something gets stolen, the thieve is still the criminal. It is still not a great idea. I’d say no nudes or do it with an analogue camera and develop the photos yourself. I’d also say, this rule is unisex.
Yeah, but the correct response to that is “okay, you should have checked that the door was locked before you headed off” rather than “well, you should never leave your house because the lockpicking lawyer can unlock doors in seconds”.
It’s a massive overcorrection imo to say that because there’s a chance they might get leaked then it’s her “fault” for doing it in the first place.
It’s also misogynistic as hell to blame a woman because she trusted a man who betrayed that trust.
Who is blaming? It is simply a warning. If you take nudes (male or female or diverse) expect it to appear somewhere. We don’t have privacy, privacy is a thing of the past.
I think the key thing people need to realize here is that digital security on consumer devices is not a priority for any corporation. So it’s like you closed your door, but it’s actually just a sheet of cardboard. It looks really good, most people think it’s a wooden door. But it’s not.
He literally says “never take any selfies” in the comic. ‘Going shopping and leaving your door open’ doesn’t make any sense in this context. What if you take a selfie, and (safely, however that would be) give it to your partner.
Five years later you break up and they post it online. How is that ‘leaving the door to your house open’ exactly?
What about making an analog video with a partner, again you break up later, and it’s put online. Is that ‘leaving the door to your house open’?
Or are you agreeing with the comic and saying women (or anyone really) should never ever take pictures/videos/etc of themselves naked/otherwise compromised, because the image/etc could go online?
You’re right.
Nobody should own things because security is not good enough.
It’s exactly like saying something as dumb as that.
And I love unisex rules that apply almost exclusively to women!
If you give someone something, you can’t really control what they do with it and if you don’t want them to have that power or don’t trust them not to abuse it you probably shouldn’t give that to them in the first place, as a general principle. This applies equally to a woman’s nudes, a guy’s nudes, your house keys, etc.
And I’d keep anything even vaguely sensitive info-wise protected by a strong password as a minimum as an at least mild deterrent for internet weirdos that you aren’t actually giving the thing to. Because you can go after said weirdos, but you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.
…only because no one has any empathy for a guy whose pics get used in ways he doesn’t want. Basically it’s not that the rule isn’t really unisex, but that people only care when the possible bad result happens to a woman (or some flavor of non-cis person).
Hell, there are Facebook groups that in a practical sense mostly function to let women who are unhappy drag on their exes and try to ruin potential future relationships for them, couched in claims that they exist to protect women from predators. Including occasionally passing around nudes of the dudes in question, if they think it’ll get mocked. Those are unlikely to be going anywhere, and any serious attempt to remove them will get reported on as creepy dudes on the internet trying to harass women into no longer being able to protect themselves from creepy dudes on the internet.
It’s more like locking your door and then getting robbed because there was an exploit on your door’s lock that a thief used to get inside.
So you’re saying the solution is, never go shopping.
That would only be an equivalent if you had the alternative of storing all your belongings in your own personal extradimensional space which is inaccessible to the thief, but instead chose to leave all your valuables sitting on your coffee table. It should be safe there, but it’s going to be a lot safer if it doesn’t occupy the same realm as the thief or the shitty lock.
The alternative is to not have valuables and live an ascetic lifestyle. Valuables are just luxuries.
You don’t need a TV, much like you don’t need to take nude selfies. Zero difference imo
The difference is that your house and TV are physical. You can try to secure them but, there’s nowhere else to put them.
Unless you are snapping polaroids or using actual film, nude selfies are not physical things, just data. Data that exists purely offline is going to be as secure as any physical object, but data on a connected device or in a server somewhere is only as secure as the weakest link in the chain. Given the evaporation of privacy and the ever increasing trend of connecting accounts and storing everything in the cloud, and the overabundance of permissions that apps demand, it takes consistent effort to keep your data secure.
How would you treat a picture of your credit card info? Or all your logins and passwords? Would you be comfortable just leaving it in your phone’s picture gallery? Would you knowingly store it in an icloud or onedrive account? Who would you be comfortable sending it to? How would you send it? Do you trust that other person’s data security practices?
If you’re going to have a credit card, you should be aware of the potential risks so that you can protect yourself. It’s not all or nothing, there will always be some risk but the key is to be aware so you can make informed decisions and manage that risk. The same goes for any data which you want to remain private, including nudes.
Don’t own anything you don’t want to get stolen. Still not seeing a difference. You don’t have to have a TV.
Owning vs not owning is binary, all or nothing, a strict dichotomy.
Data security and risk management is a vast spectrum of possibilities. We all make decisions about those risks, whether we acknowledge it or not. The risk is real, but not completely beyond our control. The more aware we are of the actual risks, and of the ways in which those risks can be mitigated, the more prepared we can be to make informed decisions. It’s not just whether or not you do something, but also how you do it.
Ignoring risks doesn’t negate them. Privacy violations shouldn’t happen, but that doesn’t mean they won’t. The violator is the one who is wrong, the victim doesn’t deserve it, but that doesn’t undo what happened to them to make them the victim. Maybe we can make a better world someday where these things don’t happen, but until we do, this the reality we have to live with, and all we can do is exercise our best judgement.
You are free to take and send nudes, but with how shit some people are and how much shit gets hacked, you’re taking a risk with that move that those photos get leaked.
It’s just how things are.
I’m ugly as fuck so my nudes will never spread far.
Unless you’re hideous enough to be like an internet sideshow
No, I’m not that interesting.
Just boringly ugly.
That just attracts certain creeps even more. They like nudes of unattractive people because it is its own kind of a validation that her boyfriend entirely demolished her trust for him (and that’s a big kink of them), because there’s no way she’s couldn’t tell she’s not attractive and therefore wouldn’t want everybody to body-shame her and that’s why she shared the pictures with utmost trust.
I have seen such degenerates. They make incredibly disgusting and disheartening comments on the victim.
Lemmites love going against the grain because they think it’s a personality.