I already stated as much my guy, they screwed up letting users know what was going on. First in the release notes, second in the press release they put out about it. That’s why Apple was found to have deceived customers and rightfully so.

I’m not arguing that. I’m just stating the intentions behind it have been completely dominated by the media and reader’s reactionary responses to hearing “Apple slowed down your phone”. All I ever said here was that there was a very good reason for doing so, and it wasn’t planned obsolescence.

As for lineageos, it also slows down the CPU as needed when a consumed battery cannot output the necessary power or when the operating temperature exceeds safe limits. Most OSes do that. The ones that don’t cause data corruption.

You seem to misunderstand the issue still. It’s not an OS issue. It’s an issue with a consumable part becoming consumed. Until the update, iPhones just shut off when the OS tried to pull too much power. All Apple did was trade shutoffs (compromising user data) for dynamic CPU throttling (sometimes slower performance but your data is fine). Where they screwed up was in telling the users what they were doing and why.

It doesn’t matter if we’re talking about iOS, Android, a fork, or something else. An OS has battery management capabilities or it doesn’t.

That doesn’t change the fact that Apple should’ve been more transparent, but you’re not avoiding this very common method of resource management because of the type of device you have, unless lineageos can defy the laws of physics and consumable batteries.

I think people just like to pick on Apple. They support old phones for at least 5 years with software and security updates, and sometimes even longer. They’ve even been known to push out the occasional security update for devices nearing a decade old.

That’s not to say they’re a perfectly innocent company. I just think there’s an Apple hate bandwagon people like to jump on. Rather than doing that, I’d like to see people focusing on the specific shitty things they do, and giving them credit for the things they get right.

I mean yeah it’s not as optimized, but that’s not what the claim was. That’s also not exclusively an Apple behavior so I don’t get why we’re singling out one manufacturer here.

Apple doesn’t make anyone buy anything every year. They support older devices longer than most other manufacturers, so I still don’t understand your point.

I mean, people don’t have to buy new phones every year. Especially recently YoY improvements have stagnated enough and prices have jumped enough that there’s never been less reason to.

I don’t really fault Apple for iterating their devices every year and advertising them any more than I fault literally every other manufacturer for doing the exact same thing. I just don’t understand why people like to pick out Apple specifically? It’s an industry problem, not just an Apple problem.

That’s a valid criticism too. But that’s also not exclusively an apple criticism, as you pointed out.

I’m not trying to defend Apple from people who hate them, I just want to make sure we’re not being solely reactionary here.

Again, they dropped the price of out of warranty battery replacements from $99+ to $29 for (don’t quote me on this) something like 2 years as a result of the bad PR they got from this change, which was inherently done to prolong the life of a phone with a consumed battery. That’s anything but a planned obsolescence move. They fucked up the messaging to users sure, but it wasn’t just done to slow your iPhone.

Yeah you’re talking about batterygate. That was blown way out of proportion by the media. I know this because I worked for Apple from as far back as 2012 and most iPhone repairs were from old batteries shutting off around 30% charge remaining because the battery was so consumed, it couldn’t keep up with the voltage the hardware was pulling. This led to frequent shutoffs, data corruption and a whole lot of angry customers.

In an iOS 10 update they tweaked iOS to throttle to a speed the battery could handle. So yeah, your old phone might run a little slower, but it wouldn’t shut off in the middle of use and corrupt your shit.

The problem was they didn’t elaborate in the release notes and didn’t give customers heads up as to why they did that. Then their press release was written by engineers. Tech blogs spun the story as “OMG APPLE IS SLOWING YOUR PHONE SO YOU BUY A NEW ONE”.

No.

Apple is telling your phone to dumb itself down to what your old-ass battery can handle. As a result, they also dramatically lowered the price of battery swaps for several years after this whole experience to like $29, and just this last week they officially affirmed their unwritten commitment of supporting devices with software updates for at least 5 years.

Be mad at Apple for shit they deserve please. They’re not a great company and do a lot of shitty things that deserve this kind of hatred. But I lived this. You just have a surface level understanding of what happened.

The only way to circumvent this problem is to invent a battery that doesn’t age. The person who does that is going to be a _very _ rich dude.

Yeah that’s not my experience. Maybe it’s yours and I apologize for that, but my 11 is still running like it was brand new.

Got any proof that “Apple intentionally builds in incremental slowdowns in each patch”? There was batterygate but that was a messaging problem.

Please elaborate on the iTrash slowdown thing. I have an idea of what you’re referring to but want to make sure I’m right.

The charging infrastructure is one of the biggest advantages their core product has.

All Tesla owners can take advantage of the higher speeds, relatively low charging price (at least in my area), and plug and charge functionality and that goes a long way in closing the sale for first time EV buyers.

So although not a core product itself, it’s one of the biggest selling points they have. Even non-teslas can charge at compatible stations and that’s just more profit for them. Combined with NACS being the new standard it makes sense to keep investing.

This decision doesn’t really make sense. You’re right though, we’ll see what happens ¯_(ツ)_/¯

this guy would fuck and kill your children if it made him an extra buck, he doesn’t give a fuck about you.

Lol this is the most confidently incorrect statement about Woz I’ve ever read.

It also corrupted data when it did that.

The people complaining about Apple “slowing their phone” are the same people that complained about their phone dying while it still showed the battery at 30% and losing data from it.

It did that because the battery couldn’t supply enough power to run the phone. So which would you prefer? Randomly corrupt data due to a consumed battery, or a slightly slower phone that could maintain stability until you had the chance to replace the battery or phone?

The real mistake Apple made was in the messaging and lack of comprehensive release notes, allowing the news cycle to dominate the narrative.

Increasing domestic manufacturing

My theory is they’re just trying to stifle the ability to own any content to normalize the concept of not owning content, which over time will make the masses complacent.

Which is stupid, because I’ll happily buy content I like with the guarantee it’ll never be taken from me. That’s not a real risk with physical media so why should that be acceptable with digital media?

He may have been an asshole but Steve Jobs said it best:

Customers want to own their content

And to reuse the same Gaben quote often repeated here:

Piracy is an issue of service, not price.

I’ll do that just as soon as you show me something definitive showing that Apple has an entire revenue stream based on selling user data that isn’t reported.

Dude, get ahold of your emotions. 😂

Samesies my dude

lol I give you a source that refutes your “Apple bad” argument and you have to resort to going after me personally because you have nothing left.

The data collection you mention is device and usage stats, which basically everyone collects. But that was never the issue, which was selling user data for profit. The source I provided compares what Apple and Google collects and determines Apple does not do this.

You can also look up revenue streams for both companies and clearly see that while Apple does not consider this as a revenue stream, it makes up a significant portion of what Google brings in every year. At that point I think you just have misdirected anger.

lol yeah that’s what I was agreeing with you on 🤣