We are clearly not going to have a good discussion. Especially if you’re going to so casually make up something as significant as saying he defends pedophilia.
Too often people on the right throw around “pedophile” at the drop of a hat, and it’s absolutely disgusting.
I’m also failing to understand what any of this has to do with vegans.
I can’t say anything about the rest as I have not watched him in quite a long time, however, an accusation as serious as “he’s a pedophile/defends pedophiles” requires concrete evidence. Neither of you have provided it yet, but I am very open to seeing it if you have any. I have no strong feelings about the dude. I just don’t trust people (like the person above) who non-ironically throw around terms like “radlib” and just casually go “I think they’re a pedophile” as if that isn’t arguably the single worst thing you can accuse someone of.
Again though: what does any of this have to do with being vegan in the first place?
It’s pretty well known and easy to verify, but I have no interest in googling this reprehensible being. If you’ve listened to him in the past, then I do wish you a swift recovery. Cheers.
I did the Google. He apparently used child porn and pedophilia as rhetorical devices in arguments about other topics, which have then of course been taken out of context and weaponizsd by people who hate him.
It’s a good example of why you shouldn’t use certain topics to score debate points and why no one should be live on the internet for multiple hours a day.
It’s just one of those topics you want to avoid unless you’re making a specific point about it, for example how right-wing nutjobs now believe that literally anyone they don’t like is a pedophile.
Yeah I just finished reading it over and watching clips - and while he was very sloppy/arrogant to even try to wade into those waters, he’s definitely not defending child porn or pedophilia. That’s pretty clear. Anything where you have to heavily explain how you’re not _____ is generally a bad idea.
Not only do they not have a source, Vaush has actually addressed basically all the controversies about him in a long list of ways.
Here’s a link to a GitHub page that has a large collection of Vaush’s responses to his various controversies over the years.
And if it wasn’t clear Vaush is a staunch trans ally and anti-racist. Any honest viewing of his content on either subject would show that to be the case.
You’re well aware that everything I said is accurate
I have no clue why you’d think that. You’re just grinding an axe man. You are also not the kind of person whose respect I’d welcome, let’s be crystal clear here.
This is a very sad attempt to deflect from having no credible sources for an incredibly disgusting accusation. Feel free to not engage further.
I just don’t trust people (like the person above) who […] casually go “I think they’re a pedophile”
Oof, dude you make me feel bad for giving you a good faithed response after your first comment.
For someone who urges to be careful with accusations you are pretty grossly misrepresenting my comment here
non-ironically throw around terms like “radlib”
I don’t throw it around like Vaush throws around “red-fascist”, “tankie”, “antisemite” and every other slur , I use it specifically for someone who draws upon radical aesthetic in the abstract but supports the capitalist, imperialist status-quo in the specific.
You can chose to be offended by that, but Vaush is the definition of a radlib
Honestly I have only ever used it for him. Thinking of it I might use “Vaushite” in the future which has the added benefit of visually representing the fact that his disingenious output is nothing but a thin layer around “shit”
Honestly I’m not very concerned with the dude. What it sounds like to me is that he’s engaging in the same behavior I don’t like. But it doesn’t make him a pedophile is my point. And yes you did not accuse him, but to say what you said in this context is to kind of play into that assertion, whether it is your intention or not. Also I was talking about the person above you, not you, in case that wasn’t clear. Though in that other comment where I said you were making the accusation I had gotten tripped up about who I was talking to, so that was my mistake.
I think it’s important to point out that we have now entered a debate about a random YouTuber/twitch personality, someone I don’t really have any opinions on anyway, when the original offense in this post is that this person equated being a leftist with wanting to legalize child porn, all in a post that is just rage bait about vegans. Clearly you see the issue here, right?
I would rather us return to that issue instead of getting bogged down in whether you think I like Vaush, which I don’t. I know little about him other then people are using some really out of context stuff it seems in order to make him sound like he defends and endorses child porn, and then, for some odd reason that is now being expanded into “leftists are pedophiles who defend child porn.” I’d say it’s utterly bizarre but frankly it’s just malicious and gross of OP.
I understand getting tripped up when others chime in with varying intentions. Also my initial comment should have been clearer and did leave more room to read a pedophilia accusation into it than I intended.
I can see that you argue in good faith and I apologize for some reddit impulses that I haven’t unlearned yet.
Personally I don’t see the equation of leftism with defending CP in OPs post though.
The way I read it OP groups “meat-eaters” into categories with each being a drastic exaggeration (the “lvl 5 bloodmouth” is a straight up cannibal) so I think none of this can be taken seriously.
One “group” is the The “Leftist” meat eater. I expand the quotes to something like The pseudo-leftist meat eater who is then represented by Vaush. To me this is basically a 1 person group that might as well just be called “Vaush” but calling him The pseudo Leftist is just one more swing at him.
I am definitely both a leftist and not a vegan and I don’t mind the post in fact I found it quite funny (but obviously very few ppl agree). I agree though that slapping the CP stuff under Vaushs pic is unfair to him, as some people will take it seriously, I have to say that humor was also not lost on me though
I can see that you argue in good faith and I apologize for some reddit impulses that I haven’t unlearned yet.
You and me both man. Someone the other day said “that classic reddit performative snark” and fuck me if it didn’t feel like I heard a gunshot. Looking through this thread I came pretty close to going full tilt that direction again. Still learning I suppose.
Personally I don’t see the equation of leftism with defending CP in OPs post though.
So I’m a little surprised to see this. The image explicitly says:
THE “LEFTIST”
No ethical consumption under capitalism. Legalize child porn NOW!" (bolding my own)
So the post to me is saying “leftists want to legalize child porn.” With Vaush as a poster for all leftists. I do not see it as purely about Vaush anymore than i see the “Plants Rights Activist” commentary being about solely Joe Rogan (which funny enough is not even a stance I think he holds, but I dislike him and don’t care to confirm lol).
Let me give another example: If I was making a meme and put “Conservatives [insert picture of George Bush above it]: Wants their steak bloody. Hates gay people.” Would you say “ah this is just about George Bush” or would you see it as I see it, which is a statement about ALL conservatives with simply an image of one?
The images are just meant to accent the content, not be taken directly as the subject. Does that make sense?
I guess I should have made it more clear, that I was only trying to summarize sentiment about Vaush for you to understand the reference, I was not making anything up
To be clear:
I do not remember nor care what exactly Vaush argued for in that video people point to as I have no interest in wasting more time with Vaush. Personally I don’t believe he would defend pedophilia and just wants to be edgy.
When I said “It is said” I meant it to be understood like “people say that about him” not that it were common knowledge. I apologize if my English was not on point.
I think your accusation towards me making something up isn’t fair but I agree with your notion of being careful with the topic in general so I will edit my original comment to reflect that I can’t and won’t weigh in on the debate on whether he did or did not defend pedophilia.
That’s fair. I did come in a little hot, but I am just very tired of watching people casually throw around “pedophile.“ I understand that is not what you were doing, but this post set up a very specific situation that it looked like you were building on. I over interpreted your intention, and I apologize. Still, this post is total rage bait, and kind of messed up ultimately. It’s an absurd, shoehorned attempt to try and equate liberals with pedophiles. It should be removed frankly.
We are clearly not going to have a good discussion. Especially if you’re going to so casually make up something as significant as saying he defends pedophilia.
Too often people on the right throw around “pedophile” at the drop of a hat, and it’s absolutely disgusting.
I’m also failing to understand what any of this has to do with vegans.
Unfortunately, that user is not lying.
On top of everything else, Vaush engages in ableist, racist, transphobic, and sexist language, unapologetically.
He’s a genuine piece of excrement
I can’t say anything about the rest as I have not watched him in quite a long time, however, an accusation as serious as “he’s a pedophile/defends pedophiles” requires concrete evidence. Neither of you have provided it yet, but I am very open to seeing it if you have any. I have no strong feelings about the dude. I just don’t trust people (like the person above) who non-ironically throw around terms like “radlib” and just casually go “I think they’re a pedophile” as if that isn’t arguably the single worst thing you can accuse someone of.
Again though: what does any of this have to do with being vegan in the first place?
It’s pretty well known and easy to verify, but I have no interest in googling this reprehensible being. If you’ve listened to him in the past, then I do wish you a swift recovery. Cheers.
That was incredibly petty and rude of you. Sounds like you just don’t have a source. Take care then.
I did the Google. He apparently used child porn and pedophilia as rhetorical devices in arguments about other topics, which have then of course been taken out of context and weaponizsd by people who hate him.
It’s a good example of why you shouldn’t use certain topics to score debate points and why no one should be live on the internet for multiple hours a day.
https://creatorpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ian_Kochinski_(Vaush)
Thanks! Checking this out. But yeah, being online too much can cause a lot of lost perspective
It’s just one of those topics you want to avoid unless you’re making a specific point about it, for example how right-wing nutjobs now believe that literally anyone they don’t like is a pedophile.
Yeah I just finished reading it over and watching clips - and while he was very sloppy/arrogant to even try to wade into those waters, he’s definitely not defending child porn or pedophilia. That’s pretty clear. Anything where you have to heavily explain how you’re not _____ is generally a bad idea.
Not only do they not have a source, Vaush has actually addressed basically all the controversies about him in a long list of ways.
Here’s a link to a GitHub page that has a large collection of Vaush’s responses to his various controversies over the years.
And if it wasn’t clear Vaush is a staunch trans ally and anti-racist. Any honest viewing of his content on either subject would show that to be the case.
Oh get off your high horse. You’re well aware that everything I said is accurate. I simply don’t respect you enough to engage with you further.
I have no clue why you’d think that. You’re just grinding an axe man. You are also not the kind of person whose respect I’d welcome, let’s be crystal clear here.
This is a very sad attempt to deflect from having no credible sources for an incredibly disgusting accusation. Feel free to not engage further.
Oof, dude you make me feel bad for giving you a good faithed response after your first comment.
For someone who urges to be careful with accusations you are pretty grossly misrepresenting my comment here
I don’t throw it around like Vaush throws around “red-fascist”, “tankie”, “antisemite” and every other slur , I use it specifically for someone who draws upon radical aesthetic in the abstract but supports the capitalist, imperialist status-quo in the specific.
You can chose to be offended by that, but Vaush is the definition of a radlib
Honestly I have only ever used it for him. Thinking of it I might use “Vaushite” in the future which has the added benefit of visually representing the fact that his disingenious output is nothing but a thin layer around “shit”
Honestly I’m not very concerned with the dude. What it sounds like to me is that he’s engaging in the same behavior I don’t like. But it doesn’t make him a pedophile is my point. And yes you did not accuse him, but to say what you said in this context is to kind of play into that assertion, whether it is your intention or not. Also I was talking about the person above you, not you, in case that wasn’t clear. Though in that other comment where I said you were making the accusation I had gotten tripped up about who I was talking to, so that was my mistake.
I think it’s important to point out that we have now entered a debate about a random YouTuber/twitch personality, someone I don’t really have any opinions on anyway, when the original offense in this post is that this person equated being a leftist with wanting to legalize child porn, all in a post that is just rage bait about vegans. Clearly you see the issue here, right?
I would rather us return to that issue instead of getting bogged down in whether you think I like Vaush, which I don’t. I know little about him other then people are using some really out of context stuff it seems in order to make him sound like he defends and endorses child porn, and then, for some odd reason that is now being expanded into “leftists are pedophiles who defend child porn.” I’d say it’s utterly bizarre but frankly it’s just malicious and gross of OP.
I understand getting tripped up when others chime in with varying intentions. Also my initial comment should have been clearer and did leave more room to read a pedophilia accusation into it than I intended.
I can see that you argue in good faith and I apologize for some reddit impulses that I haven’t unlearned yet.
Personally I don’t see the equation of leftism with defending CP in OPs post though.
The way I read it OP groups “meat-eaters” into categories with each being a drastic exaggeration (the “lvl 5 bloodmouth” is a straight up cannibal) so I think none of this can be taken seriously.
One “group” is the The “Leftist” meat eater. I expand the quotes to something like The pseudo-leftist meat eater who is then represented by Vaush. To me this is basically a 1 person group that might as well just be called “Vaush” but calling him The pseudo Leftist is just one more swing at him.
I am definitely both a leftist and not a vegan and I don’t mind the post in fact I found it quite funny (but obviously very few ppl agree). I agree though that slapping the CP stuff under Vaushs pic is unfair to him, as some people will take it seriously, I have to say that humor was also not lost on me though
You and me both man. Someone the other day said “that classic reddit performative snark” and fuck me if it didn’t feel like I heard a gunshot. Looking through this thread I came pretty close to going full tilt that direction again. Still learning I suppose.
So I’m a little surprised to see this. The image explicitly says:
So the post to me is saying “leftists want to legalize child porn.” With Vaush as a poster for all leftists. I do not see it as purely about Vaush anymore than i see the “Plants Rights Activist” commentary being about solely Joe Rogan (which funny enough is not even a stance I think he holds, but I dislike him and don’t care to confirm lol).
Let me give another example: If I was making a meme and put “Conservatives [insert picture of George Bush above it]: Wants their steak bloody. Hates gay people.” Would you say “ah this is just about George Bush” or would you see it as I see it, which is a statement about ALL conservatives with simply an image of one?
The images are just meant to accent the content, not be taken directly as the subject. Does that make sense?
I guess I should have made it more clear, that I was only trying to summarize sentiment about Vaush for you to understand the reference, I was not making anything up
To be clear: I do not remember nor care what exactly Vaush argued for in that video people point to as I have no interest in wasting more time with Vaush. Personally I don’t believe he would defend pedophilia and just wants to be edgy.
When I said “It is said” I meant it to be understood like “people say that about him” not that it were common knowledge. I apologize if my English was not on point.
I think your accusation towards me making something up isn’t fair but I agree with your notion of being careful with the topic in general so I will edit my original comment to reflect that I can’t and won’t weigh in on the debate on whether he did or did not defend pedophilia.
That’s fair. I did come in a little hot, but I am just very tired of watching people casually throw around “pedophile.“ I understand that is not what you were doing, but this post set up a very specific situation that it looked like you were building on. I over interpreted your intention, and I apologize. Still, this post is total rage bait, and kind of messed up ultimately. It’s an absurd, shoehorned attempt to try and equate liberals with pedophiles. It should be removed frankly.