We decided we’d die and feel pain. We deserved the flood, and it was literally satan who tortured Job. satan didn’t even offer Jesus food, he just told Him to turn the rocks into food with His own power.
Follow Jebus if you don’t want to die - is just extortion. Than again - old testament god was a bad boy himself, he would definitely approve, I mean he was really into murder.
You missed a very, very important keyword there: “deserved.”
Theologians miss a key point of rational debate where they don’t provide proper definitions and make big assumptions that aren’t great.
Who defines what the “correct” effect of an action is? Who defines what consequence is deserved by a choice? If God is the almighty being, he decides what is right and wrong. In Abrahamic tradition, God defines all of these arbitrary rules and expects humanity to obey them without question. Shit, God ordered Abraham himself to murder despite that supposedly being against the rules.
God is like a kid that holds a magnifying glass focused on an arbitrary point near the anthill. He set up the conditions for us to hurt ourselves according to his arbitrary rules. Why didn’t he tell Satan to fuck off with the fruit? Why did he allow Satan to exist in the first place? If God created everything, then he is responsible for everything by our human logic. So God can fuck right off
We decided we’d die and feel pain. We deserved the flood, and it was literally satan who tortured Job. satan didn’t even offer Jesus food, he just told Him to turn the rocks into food with His own power.
Huh. I don’t recall being asked if I want to die
Do you want to follow Jesus who will give you eternal life?
That just sounds like extortion.
They complained they were never asked, lol, so I asked them
Follow Jebus if you don’t want to die - is just extortion. Than again - old testament god was a bad boy himself, he would definitely approve, I mean he was really into murder.
It’s a free gift
It’s not free and not a gift.
Following Jesus is literally free. How is a free pardon for our crimes a gift?
Oh no I didn’t mean I haven’t been asked by mortals. Are you claiming to be God?
Why does the distinction matter? I can still help show you to freedom if you’d like.
You missed a very, very important keyword there: “deserved.”
Theologians miss a key point of rational debate where they don’t provide proper definitions and make big assumptions that aren’t great.
Who defines what the “correct” effect of an action is? Who defines what consequence is deserved by a choice? If God is the almighty being, he decides what is right and wrong. In Abrahamic tradition, God defines all of these arbitrary rules and expects humanity to obey them without question. Shit, God ordered Abraham himself to murder despite that supposedly being against the rules.
God is like a kid that holds a magnifying glass focused on an arbitrary point near the anthill. He set up the conditions for us to hurt ourselves according to his arbitrary rules. Why didn’t he tell Satan to fuck off with the fruit? Why did he allow Satan to exist in the first place? If God created everything, then he is responsible for everything by our human logic. So God can fuck right off
Would you rather have free will or be a mindless slave to God?
So god cannot create a world with free will and without evil?
It won’t be true free will, in that case, would it?