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      • Understanding what the Fediverse is. This is time people can use for other things.

      • Finding a server that you can reasonably trust and is relatively troll free. This is time people can use for other things.

      • The default UI is ugly, and I can’t easily share a Photon UI link with friends from my phone.

      • Having the same content appear across multiple servers and there’s no way to just have 1 common thread/linkage to it. Some things start to feel spammy and drown out other items.

      • The link sort system has too many options and some are not intuitively named. Yes, I can look at the wiki, but you’re making me look at a wiki.

      • NSFW content default on. Not exactly a winning option if you’re trying to get new folks to join.

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        Understanding what the Fediverse is.

        It’s a good thing. Understanding things you use is a good thing. Knowing things is a good thing.

        This is time people can use for other things.

        They shouldn’t. Understanding what you’re using is the absolute bare minimum and I think it’s absurd to consider this a UX friction, when the same cannot be said for e.g. someone who makes the decision to buy a car or a bike or a plane or a gun or a computer or a phone, all require some skill and some knowledge to operate.

        Finding a server that you can reasonably trust and is relatively troll free.

        Just like finding a social media of choice today? It also doesn’t really matter, Lemmy instances aren’t Discord “servers”.

        The default UI is ugly, and I can’t easily share a Photon UI link with friends from my phone.

        What’s wrong with it? I think it looks really cool actually. It’s clean, simple, and the colour scheme and it’s use is great. I’ve honestly no idea what “photon UI” is. After I signed up, I only browse Lemmy on my phone via Jerboa.

        Having the same content appear across multiple servers and there’s no way to just have 1 common thread/linkage to it. Some things start to feel spammy and drown out other items.

        That’s an issue of sorting and subscribing. Unsub to duplicate communities and change filter to something like “Scaled”.

        The link sort system has too many options and some are not intuitively named. Yes, I can look at the wiki, but you’re making me look at a wiki.

        Huh? Do you mean the sort in the feed? If so it’s all fairly intuitive. I’ve not heard anyone say otherwise until now either so I think this is just a personal issue.

        NSFW content default on. Not exactly a winning option if you’re trying to get new folks to join.

        I’ve not seen any NSFW comment on Lemmy period. I think if you don’t seek it out it’s not there. On the other hand - I think previously NSFW content was actually a large pull to sites like Twitter and Instagram, and lack thereof caused an exodus of users from sites like Tumblr. I’ve also anecdotally heard from some IRL friends’ (men especially) that they got into Reddit as a porn site, then branched out to become more active users overall, so this may be less of a hurdle than it first appears.

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          It’s a good thing. Understanding things you use is a good thing. Knowing things is a good thing.

          Totally, but why should someone learn this thing over all the other things they can learn with their limited time in the day? Everyone has different priorities in life, and I’d expect this would rank very low for many people.

          I think it’s absurd to consider this a UX friction

          It sounds like you haven’t had much exposure with respect to UX design (which is understandable, it’s still a growing field). A key thing to consider is knowing your target user base. If Lemmy is meant exclusively for those that are fans of FOSS or are in the IT field, then it’s probably doing ok. If Lemmy is meant to be something for anyone to use, then it’s got a long way to go to meet the needs of the general population. What is considered simple or easy to understand for an engineer can be interpreted extremely differently by the target user. To get the right approach, options need testing and evaluation, and the design engineers need understanding and humility when they go back to the drawing board.

          Just like finding a social media of choice today? It also doesn’t really matter, Lemmy instances aren’t Discord “servers”.

          People gravitate towards the social media their friends and family are on. The corporate sites make it very simple. 1 corporation, 1 server, an email, a password, and you’re good to go.

          What’s wrong with it? I think it looks really cool actually. It’s clean, simple, and the colour scheme and it’s use is great. I’ve honestly no idea what “photon UI” is. After I signed up, I only browse Lemmy on my phone via Jerboa.

          The base browser UI feels dated and maybe a step up from a wireframe design. I’m on Lemmy.world, so they offer a view different variants that look like a modern UI (like Photon and Alexandrite). It’s nice because they’re available on desktop and mobile browsers, but they don’t always work, My friends don’t use Lemmy, so I generally just send the base link from my Lemmy app of choice. They’ve learned to deal with it, but I doubt they’ll be joining the Fediverse anytime soon.

          That’s an issue of sorting and subscribing. Unsub to duplicate communities and change filter to something like “Scaled”.

          This is UX friction. Why should someone need to set this up to get rid of duplication. If everyone is sharing the same article, then why shouldn’t there be away to just see it once automatically? Why can’t they see all comments from all federated instances in a single common link? Why do they have to do all this extra work just to get a simplified feed?

          If so it’s all fairly intuitive. I’ve not heard anyone say otherwise until now either so I think this is just a personal issue.

          Again, this is a UX design issue. What works from your perspective or sample size of users may not reflect the larger target audience.

          I’ve not seen any NSFW comment on Lemmy period.

          Your instance may not be federated with instances like Lemmynsfw. By default NSFW content is shown on Lemmy.world (at least if you’re logged in). Yes, you are able to filter it out, but it’s something you need to do yourself. I’m not saying having the content is bad, but it should be hidden by default from people’s feeds.

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            What works from your perspective or sample size of users may not reflect the larger target audience.

            The inverse is also true, and what you’re saying is indicative of a personal issue on your behalf as stated.

            learn this thing over all the other things they can learn with their limited time in the day?

            Because they want to use it? What?

            It sounds like you haven’t had much exposure with respect to UX design (which is understandable, it’s still a growing field).

            I’ve taken UI design and UX classes at uni like probably most people here, thank you very much Mr. Expert man and we all know what a fucking target audience is.

            What is considered simple or easy to understand for an engineer can be interpreted extremely differently by the target user. To get the right approach, options need testing and evaluation, and the design engineers need understanding and humility when they go back to the drawing board.

            Generic statements of no substance. We all know what UX is lol.

            The base browser UI feels dated

            That’s a totally subjective statement.

            maybe a step up from a wireframe design.

            Modern

            More subjective nonsense. You don’t actually know even a layman’s basic gist of UX so you could parrot something half-way intelligent, yet you speak on it like an authority.

            You want to criticize then give specifics - too many clicks? Too many buttons on any screen? Confusing flow somewhere? Jesus Christ at least watch some breakdowns of UIs online.

            This is UX friction. Why should someone need to set this up to get rid of duplication.

            This is nonsense. Reposts are just how the internet is and I get duplication on my Instagram feed due to them all the same.

            then why shouldn’t there be away to just see it once automatically

            Because there isn’t anywhere else either. Have you even ever used social media?

            You just seethe and seethe because you can’t read or are choosing to respond to a strawman of some Ignoramus you conjured in your head when the plain naked truth is you are wrong and you can’t accept that.

            People gravitate towards the social media their friends and family are on.

            Which has nothing to do with

            The corporate sites make it very simple. 1 corporation, 1 server, an email, a password, and you’re good to go.

            That’s just a non-sequitur from the family/friends thing. Plus having the email already makes it 2 servers, 2 corporations etc.

            Your instance may not be federated with instances like Lemmynsfw

            Yes it is but you have to browse those instances and sub to them to get it in your feed.

            You wrote a lot of words but said absolutely nill, it is the very antithesis of meaning and sense, worthy of my time only as an impressionist’s abstract portrayal of AI slop. Blocked.