Supporting the creators, yeah, because thats what Google built their empire on top of.
Caring about people.
Most creaters (even smaller ones) doesn’t care about revunue (YT creaters get paid if they’re in YPP) loss from adblockers and lm pretty sure YouTubers also use adblock instead of paying Premium
If only we could directly support the people we wanted to… Oh wait.
Well you can actually. For example there is channel memberships.
Prefer Patreon or other means. YT takes 30% of that money, and including bs like processing fees that’s more like 36%. Patreon’s share is 12%.
And Ko-Fi takes between 0-5%.
And LibrePay is also good
Damn, I thought patron was around 7%
Actually the premium user is worth more to creators because a premium user gives them a bigger slice than ad users.
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I don’t get any ads, what are you talking about?
Premium ads popped up a bit ago, there were several posts and articles about it. Apparently they’re also testing different tiers of premium like Netflix.
They might be referring to people who have it occur due to a technical problem (needing to clear their cache or something). Other than that, tons of my friends and coworkers have Premium and they’ve never complained of ads, so I don’t think it’s a normal thing that occurs frequently.
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Bro I don’t speak German but yea sure, I believe you. That does sound pretty shit, and I’d be pretty pissed if that happened, yea.
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I believe they’re trying out different tiers of premium in certain regions (not the US). Lower tier premium has ads.
Lol why are you getting down voted? Jeez lemmy users are sensitive about paying for an entertainment service.
Youtube has been free for so long that people forget that hosting all those videos costs money. They’ll pay for so many streaming services but if you make Youtube anything but a free, ad-free paradise they lose it.
I guess. I never had nor will ever pay for premium, but isn’t there premium content? How’s that any different than paying for patreon videos of content creators? YouTube just consolidated it.
There’s premium content, no ads, the creator gets paid significantly more for your Premium view, and bundled YouTube Music.
Yea, and while I don’t use it you also get Youtube Music bundled in.
Uhoh, the poor little baby corporation can’t handle hosting! Guess we will have to make the tools to self host then.
IIRC that was specifically related to YouTube testing out a new Premium tier that allowed some ads, but also cost less, and only in specific markets.
Not everywhere, and not regular Premium subscriptions, unlike how most posts try to make it sound, including yours. But don’t let the facts get in the way.
IIRC that was specifically related to YouTube testing out a new Premium tier that allowed some ads, but also cost less, and only in specific markets.
Not everywhere, and not regular Premium subscriptions
…for now.
Let’s keep that in mind.
Were they testing those ads on users that paid for an ad free premium or were they testing on users that bought a lower tier?
Don’t know, the couple of articles I saw going around didn’t actually have any actual info in them, just the report by a random person in Germany which is one of the Premium Lite (or whatever they want to call it) regions.
I don’t really care that much to be honest. I pay for YouTube Premium. My region doesn’t have a Lite option. I pay for several reasons, not just the lack of ads. I pay so the content creators I watch get paid more for my view. I pay for no ads. I pay for the bundled YouTube Music. All of those are part of my usage. The lack of ads is only one aspect. For others that may be different, and for them the price justification may be different as well if they’re only paying to remove ads.
Not to mention that partial ad experiences at a lower cost are an inevitable middle option to regular ad and no-ad options. YouTube isn’t anywhere near the first to do this, and they definitely won’t be the last. Complaining about it will do absolutely nothing, they don’t give a shit and the only people that could force a change are shareholders, who only care about profits at this point. Customer satisfaction for a company like Google means fucking nothing.
So why expend the energy? That can be focused elsewhere to much more effect.
I will not use youtube and use ads. The sooner they break my adblocker, the sooner i won’t be on their platform
I really don’t think they understand this… If an ad starts playing on YouTube I just turn it off and see why my ad blocker isn’t working. If it doesn’t work I simply don’t watch the video. I had no desire to switch to Firefox because Chrome was just working for me, but then it didn’t work. There’s no way in hell I’m sitting here with my adhd addled brain, with my 4 year old phone in my hands watching for 30 seconds why I need a brand new acura.
The only time I’ve ever willingly watched an ad was tiktok. Because they know I can simply swipe and skip it, but sometimes the sponsored content is creative and entertaining.
They do understand it. They just believe the number of people who will do it are small enough to be worth it.
And sadly, they’re probably right. Just look at how many people are willing to sit there mindlessly absorbing messages from their corporate masters.
I guess. And you might be right. But the end goal of enshittifying everything is going to bottle out into unusable tech and the death of innovation.
You’re part of less than 10% of the people watching YouTube, and you’re in a 10% they won’t care about because you aren’t making them money anyhow.
They are also on here instead of reddit, so they are really in much more rarefied air.
google just made it so ad blockers using their engine will not work the same… probably why it was working fine then it didn’t
Ads have started to straight up break the internet for me. I can go to websites and they’ll complain about my ad blocker, and the only help I get is “disable your extensions.” I don’t even have any extensions! No ad block! But sites still curl up and die on me.
Is it because my browser is hardened? Is it Linux? Do I have to fork over private data to use a site and if I don’t they pretend the issue is ad blockers?
Well, Google sure is trying to take us in the direction of “you have to log in to Chrome to use the internet”.
Well let’s see how that goes when chrome is no longer google
Google is just going to stall and delay until Trump’s goons come in. Then, suddenly, the DOJ will have a change of heart.
You’re right .i forgot about the trumpet
I didn’t use adblockers when they had occasional normal ad breaks. Now when I have to watch on a TV app its just a garbage experience.
Yep I know but our main entertainment device is an Apple TV.
Ngl, I run Firefox and the usual suite of adblockers and haven’t experienced any issues. I do the same on my phone (Firefox in “desktop mode”).
YouTube is a monopoly. The reason no one really uses multiple platforms to upload videos at the same level as YouTube is because it was run for a long time at a loss to push out all competition. I have no simpthy.
Subscribe to Nebula instead.
I ❤️ FreeTube
I"m just going to watch youtube less.
I subscribed to Nebula instead
Why paying for no longer having an ad free experience, if you can have a really ad free YouTube for free?
Newpipe!!!
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I ended up paying for it because, frankly, expecting Youtube to be completely free and fighting how it could be paid for is kinda crazy. We’re just used to it being free but running Youtube is expensive. I watch hours of Youtube nearly every day and don’t use Crunchyroll nearly as much so why am I ok paying for that but not Youtube?
Yes, if they do actually start pushing ads then I’m going to wonder what the hell I’m paying for but for the time being I’m ok with paying for a service. I only started paying for it recently, to be fair, but I get it.
It depends how many hours per month you use it I guess.
I am fine paying for Netflix (it is quite cheap here as well) which I watch probably at least 20-30 hours per month but not for youtube which I use for the music maybe an hour per week or less.
YouTube frequency of commercials is unacceptable. If they were to play a commercial every half an hour or so, I would say it is too often but I would understand it.
They don’t, they try to play a commercial every other song start, so every 7-10 minutes. They are taking a piss.
At the end of the day, Google is just going to double dip and take your money, and still sell your data.
They are, first and foremost, an ad company. Their money maker is the data they get from you; your viewing habits and whatever they can scrape from your computer.
Have you tried vi music? Free on fdroid,open source,and its YouTube music ad free. Its quite nice.
edit: for context, I have 7000 hours of uninterrupted streaming on YouTube. It’s been well worth the cost to me. But this is with the model being ad-free. If that ever changed I would need to re-evaluate my position, but I do like that my subscription can give support to creators (support which is larger per view than that of an ad user) at the same time.
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A great many hours.
Is it your use of YouTube?
Premium, yeah
That’s precisely what I meant. For so many hours it may as well be worth it. Not for an occasional user.
I don’t get any commercials now and I use it for all kinds of stuff from educational videos to hours and hours of things like D&D streams. It’s all worth it.
You pay nothing for it and complain about commercials. I don’t want to go shilling for corporations but whining about Youtube paying the bills is just sad, bud.
Read again. Slowly.
You responded to my comment about being ok with paying to not get ads by saying that one ad every thirty minutes would be too much for this service you just expect to get for free. It’s not a necessary utility, deal with it.
No amount of reading comprehension on my end will make up for the lack of it on yours.
You read it. Now try to understand what you read.
Yikes.
If you want YouTube to keep existing, you should pay for it. That’s why I use adblocker.
So you don’t want a free place to upload videos? … why? Is it just because it’s Google or too big or why?
I love the idea of a free place to upload videos, I just wish there was a way without as many ads or with a cheaper ad free prem.
So you don’t want it to keep existing(use of ad blocker because you don’t pay for it) but still use it because you…don’t like it? There’s always Nebula if you want to make a point, but not if your point is that you’re an entitled little weirdo.
I use nebula and a handful of other platforms. But of course most creators are exclusively available on YouTube.
Ok so you use Youtube and just think it should be free because…?
I want youtube to fail. I want content creators to move on to other platforms.
Give an inch, they take a mile
Instead of trying to make money, they should be looking at how to operate without it
Peertube is an example of figuring this out
How to operate without money? Hosting countless hours of high-quality video on demand and streaming it to your computer at highspeed? Are you high?
I had never heard of Peertube before your comment and it sounds great! It also puts a lot on the content creator, though, and regardless of whether Youtube should follow that model or not how would you expect them to make that change? Just suddenly tell every creator that they must start self-hosting? Genius, that’ll go over so well!
Peertube themselves are saying that they don’t want to replace Youtube, simply to offer alternatives and choice(which I’m cool with).
The transition would be saving videos users watch on their devices not just creators
However it’s just one path, if Google’s engineers find a better solution then they can do that.
How to operate without money?
Have the public libraries host the peoples internet. There are options if you can think outside your little Gmail inbox.
I don’t use Gmail, and in fact my email isn’t attached to any big company. I know you couldn’t have known that but still.
So now you want to shift all this content onto poorly funded public libraries? Do you have any idea how difficult all that would be? Do you have any idea how much content is on Youtube? And that’s not to mention how much bandwidth a person would need to be able to send out the content they’re hosting to tens of thousands of people at once.
You’re living in a dreamland. Other options can start these things from scratch but Youtube is not about to make their system infinitely more complex and unreliable just for you and the small handful of other people who are high on their tiny corner of the internet. You’re asking me to think and you haven’t done the bare basics of it yourself.
I still didn’t get why you paid
Because it is a service, not a favour. Keep up.
Google can suck the shit directly from my asshole Human Centipede style if they think I’m ever going to pay them for.not using their monopoly to harass me. When I can no longer feasibly block ads on YouTube, I’ll just move to another platform. Thank goodness they’re about to lose Chrome because otherwise they’d soon be injecting ads directly through the browser just like they do in their shitty news app.
