Um actually… Opera and Edge weren’t always based on chromium!
Chrome was not always based on chromeium. Chrome was based on Apple WebKit until 2013 when they forked WebKit and made the Blink engine.
Chromium was still the base before the WebKit/Blink fork. Chrome and Chromium were released simultaneously in 2008.
Chromium has always existed. Originally it was wrapping web kit and later they forked web kit into blink and diverged from Web kit. Chromium is a level above the engine.
Wha- hold up… I’m not sure I understand…
Chrome was based on WebKit?
I’m not aware about the old stuff as much so if someone could fill me in…
WebKit is a rendering engine which is one of the major components of a web browser. Chrome/Chromium was released in 2008 using a modified version of WebKit as its rendering engine. Eventually in 2013 they created a fork of WebKit called Blink, which is the current rendering engine for Chrome/Chromium.
Opera was the shit back in the early days. It could pretend to be any other browser.
Pre-Chromium Edge wasn’t even that bad. Sure, the engine had its issues and there was probably a bit of Edge-specific JS on some websites, but I’m sure they would’ve eventually got there.
But seeing that even Microsoft abandoned making their own browser engine, it goes to show how complex it is to make one nowadays and with new web APIs/features coming out every few weeks it feels like, it’s almost impossible to keep up.
But seeing that even Microsoft abandoned making their own browser engine, it goes to show how complex it is to make one nowadays and with new web APIs/features coming out every few weeks it feels like, it’s almost impossible to keep up.
No, Microsoft is just historically bad at making browsers. It was not until Internet Explorer 7 that they finally implemented HTML 4 and CSS 2 without major glaring bugs.
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I have an installer for Opera 12.18, the last one to use their Presto engine. Every once in a while I test it out to see how it has aged.
It’s not pretty haha. It barely works.
I miss pre chromium Opera so much lol, lot of nostalgia
My favourite browser, abandoned it when they went chromium. RIP in peace Opera.
Always weren’t been
This is why I’ve stuck with firefox through thick and thin
Been using FF for about 2 decades now and I have never seen a single good reason to switch.
Ditto. As much as people pretend Firefox is niche, it is the only browser with lineage back to the start of the web.
If they ever fuck up big time I’ll go with the next obscure option.
What else is there that is not Chromium/Webkit based?
Now that KHTML is dead, not very much at all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_browser_engines
Firefox with add-ons. Especially, but not only, Ublock Origin.
NoScript 🤌🏻
I love it in theory… but it just broke so many websites I needed to use. And not always in obvious ways.
You can use Ublock Origin in advanced mode, which allows you to block, blacklist/whitelist scripts.
So you mean Librewolf
IMO any of the forks are inherently weaker than the main and there’s nothing stopping you from making Firefox work exactly like whichever flavor of fork you prefer, but with security updates the day they come out.
Add-ons are a pretty huge security risk, though. Someone was just posting an article about how tempting it is to sell out with your extension, and how many offers you actually get.
And I’ve already been burned once, and it’s not pretty. Also nothing you can do against this.
The best solution is actually not Firefox, but Mullvad. No need for extensions, based on Tor Browser and can be bundled with a VPN that’s full of other people using the same browser - so you have exactly the same fingerprint, and they can’t tell you apart. Not by extensions, not by IP.
Google accounts for some 80%+ of Mozilla’s revenue. Firefox struck a different kind of deal with the devil than chromium browsers, but Google is the one pulling the strings.
Could you expand on this
Google pays Mozilla in exchange for google being Firefox’s default search engine
I see that as an okay compromise. Anyone who cares will also know how to change it easily.
And I actually wouldn’t have a problem with using google for searches if it weren’t for the fact they constantly do the captcha thing when I’m connecting via VPN. Captchas for a simple google search.
I’m not against google making money off of a good product, but they’ve enshittified it too much to be considered good now.
Yeah that’s hardly a game changer.
Sshhhhhh you’ll destroy the narrative!
I just wish Mozilla didn’t just tread Gecko as part of Firefox, the few who tried developing on it came to the conclusion that it’s not sustainable if the engines developer doesn’t give a fuck about you! :/
Damn, that sounds like a real missed opportunity. Hopefully they come around on that one.
Well, they always did it like that and basically cut all their bigger projects in the massive layoff so I wish they did too but I doubt it :/
wait, the steam browser is chromium? no way
Basically every in app browser is.
Was IE for the longest time
How the fuck has everyone so easily allowed so few tech companies to dominate?
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Firefox user since before it was called Firefox.
Firebird gang
There’s a Phoenix metaphor here somewhere
Mozilla browser was great.
Netscape was amazing
Be sure to install AdNauseam on your Firefox to really go full “fuck you” to google.
It’s uBlock, but it’s fucking with their revenue
AdNauseam
Note that AdNauseam no longer recommends Firefox
Sigh. I believe this is simply because of the removal from Firefox mobile
Unfortunately, if you have properly set up Firefox, i.e with arkenfox user.js or by using Librewolf, it doesn’t work :/ It still blocks adds without issues, but it’s not visiting them.
Or if you’re running PiHole - same issue. Is there a way how to make PiHole actually go though all those clicks? I guess it would be hard to figure out what’s an ad and what’s telemetry.
PiHole is doing DNS resolution only, it doesn’t have any way to know what the link is, its not sent that data.
From this band, I get more and more in love with Vivaldi, especially their Workspaces feature.
Yeah, I use Vivaldi at work. I love it.
It’s not on my personal devices, but if work is going to default to Chrome anyway, I may as well be using the best version of it.
I went whole hog. The sync features are great between computer and phone app (phone app is excellent!) and they actively disable all the terrible shit from chrome. It works with bing/chat gpt too which is nice. They have been very vocal against Google proposed changes and I’m confident they will work around them if at all possible. If not, hell yeah, I’m jumping ship, but I give Vivaldi a lot of credit for what they’ve done this far. I’m hanging in there for now.
I tried FF the other day instead of Vivaldi and I was like, no scroll wheel to switch tabs? No quick commands? No workspaces? Ugh I am prepared to keep using a chromium engine rather than give up all the “power user” features. It’s just sooo good.
Been using gestures for so long I constantly catch myself using them in other apps where it doesn’t work and getting frustrated at myself.
Also there’s now a DuckDuckGo browser!
Which uses the OS web view. So on macOS it’s the safari engine.
Everything on iOS uses Safari tho, Apple doesn’t allow other browser engines but at least they don’t nerf the Webkit version for third parties anymore!
That is going to chance soon and Apple will be forced to allow other web engines, as well as other app stores.
At least in the EU, luckily I from a EU citizen!
macOS != iOS
I specifically mention iOS in the first sentence and then say Apple is doing it in the next!
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I specifically mention iOS in the first sentence and then say Apple is doing it in the next…
Oi, sorry, misread.
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It was a sad day when Opera dropped presto.
We wanted HTML as complex as Adobe Flash. When we got it, the standard became so complex no way smaller players that didn’t dedicate massive resources to keeping up could possibly keep up.
There was just no way to keep presto up to date with the ever evolving web without a massive new source of income for Opera.
Learned Electron is also chromium. So Foundry vtt is as well…
So just use it in a tab of Firefox? I literally had no idea of an electron version of Foundry until this instant.
Honest question… I get that Chrome has a bunch questionable privacy practices that sends data back to Google, but do the chromium based browsers do that as well? My understanding is that Chromium is just the rendering engine. How is it bad?
Also, if Google implements their bullshit DRM features, I wonder if the derivative browsers will be able to disable it. I believe I saw that Brave said they won’t use it.
Yes chromium is 100% just as bad
Up to date chromium is 100% just as bad. Forked and selectively maintained version (like brave) aren’t 100% just as bad, but varying degrees well below up to maybe even slightly above this hypothetical 100% marker. Not advocating for Brave (I don’t personally use it), but the way they update is my main point here.
Not all of chromium’s constituent components are required for a functional browser. At the end of the day, Firefox is just easier to trust and better supported than any of the chromium forks, personal opinion.
Brave is bad for its own reasons, like the cryptocurrency scam built into it.
Like I said, I’m not advocating for it, and some forks are worse than basic chromuim.
brave also sells their ads
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What’s the source imagine from in this meme?
I’m watching The Spiffing Brit’s exploit live stream right now. Firefox cannot handle that. Edge can. On linux
interesting
Update: Alright. Fine! Its probably extension issue
What? It’s just a livestream.
I just checked it out. Seems that The Spiffing Brit is trying to break youtube or something and is having people open as many tabs of his livestream as they can to get as many views as they can.
I just checked it out. And to test, I opened 15 tabs in firefox and refreshed. Just fine lol. Not sure what problem that person has besides maybe too many firefox extensions.
I did the same and RAM usage on went up 20% for me. Using flatpak Firefox if that makes a difference. It’s still responsive though as I type this comment.
Firefox Ram usage just kept going up during that stream for some reason. It was using 6GB of 8GB ram. Edge stayed at 2GB. The stream got boring after a while tho
One livestream shouldn’t be doing that. I think you got a messed up extension or something.
Its probably the emote extension. He has like 20k live viewers and no slow mode, all spamming emotes and random text
You use Edge on linux?
Better than chrome on linux
