You have to be trolling. This shit is E V E R Y W H E R E.
If nobody was screeching and wailing like I’m talking about, then why did Todd Howard have to come out and do a goddamned press conference, explaining that the plot of Fallout: New Vegas hadn’t been retconned out of existence?
Have you stopped to think why it affects you so much, that people care so much about lore?
I am not trolling. It just seems like this bothers you a lot, so I figured I’d just give some tips on how I’d handle it. 🤷♂️ Take it or leave it, I guess.
You’re missing the point, on several different levels.
First of all, note that both the nerds in my meme care about lore. Both of them are depicted as having extensive knowledge of the lore, from whatever media they’re talking about. And both of them care about it. The first one, in my opinion the more “traditional” nerd, deals with a potential change in lore by obsessively cataloguing and analyzing the situation. He will likely assume that it’s a mistake that’s been made, and that the fans of the media actually know more about the lore than the writers, themselves.
Sure, that type of nerd isn’t immune to ALL emotionalism, about such changes in lore…but his main concern is maintaining his obsessive catalog of knowledge, then using that armament to win arguments with whoever will listen. If he thinks the changes are bad, he will usually be happy enough to just have that as another thing he can be correct about.
The SECOND type of nerd is a ball of insecure, fragile, cringe-tastic emotion. If the writers make a change to the fictional universe he’s become attached to, he lacks the ability to say “meh. I’ll just ignore that. Maybe it means I don’t really care for this latest iteration of the series, or this TV adaptation. I’ll just hope they do better next time.”
They can’t do that. They melt down and freak out. It’s unseemly, to say the least.
And the thing is, these guys are so loud and obnoxious (and even SCARY) that they’re starting to have an increasing ability to affect the media that I care about. I’m a nerd, too. Keep that in mind. I don’t like seeing my people act like shitheads, and I don’t like the hobbies I enjoy being threatened by whining freaks.
his main concern is maintaining his obsessive catalog of knowledge, then using that armament to win arguments with whoever will listen. If he thinks the changes are bad, he will usually be happy enough to just have that as another thing he can be correct about.
The SECOND type of nerd is a ball of insecure, fragile, cringe-tastic emotion. If the writers make a change to the fictional universe he’s become attached to, he lacks the ability to say “meh. I’ll just ignore that. Maybe it means I don’t really care for this latest iteration of the series, or this TV adaptation. I’ll just hope they do better next time.”
Both of these types of nerd sound insufferable in their own way, in my opinion, to be absolutely frank with you.
Yeah. I agree. Nobody should aspire to be either one of those fucking assholes.
But the new variety is much more likely to ruin stuff. Like I’ve mentioned, there is evidence that producers and/or writers are responding to them. When the oldschool nerd acted smug and sarcastic, nobody paid any attention to his stupid ass. Everyone just went “man, that guy takes fandom waaaaay too seriously” and totally ignored the dipshit.
So, ya know, I prefer that version. The one that doesn’t wreck up the place.
Nothing for me, yet…but I am very disturbed by how quickly this Fallout situation has moved. That’s what prompted me to finally make this meme, even though I’d thought about it several times before.
The thing is, the show is obviously very high quality. I’ve only seen the first episode, but it really hit all the marks as a great show, already. I’m not the most hardcore Fallout fan, but I’ve played Fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4. And the VR version of 4. And a bit of Fallout 76. And a little bit of Brotherhood of Steel, which everyone hated for good reasons.
I haven’t been spoiled for it, so I don’t know if this error in the timeline, continuity problem, plot hole (or whatever) is something that came up in the first episode (and I didn’t even notice it) or if it comes up later in the show.
The point is, the show is good, which is a VERY RARE FEAT, within the video-game-to-scripted-screen-adaptation world. But instead of appreciating the overall good quality, these people started pitching a fit about timelines and canon issues. That still wouldn’t have bothered me…but then came the VERY PROMPT response, from Todd Howard.
I am very disturbed by how quickly he was shoved out in front of a camera, to beg everyone’s pardon. “No, no, no, you’re right. New Vegas is still canon. Don’t worry.”
You realize what this means, don’t you? The MONEY PEOPLE frantically texted Todd Motherfucking Howard, and directed him to make that response. In other words, these turbo-whiners basically have a seat in the writing room, for Season 2 of this show.
Instead of writing what they want to write, instead of making decisions on their terms, they will have to make every future episode of the show with the knowledge that their bosses are now watching closely to see if the lore-freaks have been antagonized, once again.
They have to write CAREFULLY, so as to make sure they don’t make any further “mistakes” or “errors” or “retcons” or whatever it was. Writing carefully is not writing creatively.
Nerds have always known the lore better than the writers. Up until now, they have been ignored. But now, as I said, they have a seat at the table. A world in which they are constantly pandered to is a world where writing gets shittier and shittier, every season.
I predict that Season 2 of the Fallout show will be markedly lower quality, because the writers will be incentivized to merely provide a scrupulously, obsessively “faithful” lore documentary, rather than a real, creatively driven, dynamic plot.
You have to be trolling. This shit is E V E R Y W H E R E.
If nobody was screeching and wailing like I’m talking about, then why did Todd Howard have to come out and do a goddamned press conference, explaining that the plot of Fallout: New Vegas hadn’t been retconned out of existence?
That pressure didn’t come from nowhere.
Have you stopped to think why it affects you so much, that people care so much about lore?
I am not trolling. It just seems like this bothers you a lot, so I figured I’d just give some tips on how I’d handle it. 🤷♂️ Take it or leave it, I guess.
You’re missing the point, on several different levels.
First of all, note that both the nerds in my meme care about lore. Both of them are depicted as having extensive knowledge of the lore, from whatever media they’re talking about. And both of them care about it. The first one, in my opinion the more “traditional” nerd, deals with a potential change in lore by obsessively cataloguing and analyzing the situation. He will likely assume that it’s a mistake that’s been made, and that the fans of the media actually know more about the lore than the writers, themselves.
Sure, that type of nerd isn’t immune to ALL emotionalism, about such changes in lore…but his main concern is maintaining his obsessive catalog of knowledge, then using that armament to win arguments with whoever will listen. If he thinks the changes are bad, he will usually be happy enough to just have that as another thing he can be correct about.
The SECOND type of nerd is a ball of insecure, fragile, cringe-tastic emotion. If the writers make a change to the fictional universe he’s become attached to, he lacks the ability to say “meh. I’ll just ignore that. Maybe it means I don’t really care for this latest iteration of the series, or this TV adaptation. I’ll just hope they do better next time.”
They can’t do that. They melt down and freak out. It’s unseemly, to say the least.
And the thing is, these guys are so loud and obnoxious (and even SCARY) that they’re starting to have an increasing ability to affect the media that I care about. I’m a nerd, too. Keep that in mind. I don’t like seeing my people act like shitheads, and I don’t like the hobbies I enjoy being threatened by whining freaks.
Both of these types of nerd sound insufferable in their own way, in my opinion, to be absolutely frank with you.
Yeah. I agree. Nobody should aspire to be either one of those fucking assholes.
But the new variety is much more likely to ruin stuff. Like I’ve mentioned, there is evidence that producers and/or writers are responding to them. When the oldschool nerd acted smug and sarcastic, nobody paid any attention to his stupid ass. Everyone just went “man, that guy takes fandom waaaaay too seriously” and totally ignored the dipshit.
So, ya know, I prefer that version. The one that doesn’t wreck up the place.
I do get what you’re saying. Can’t help but agree, if this is the case.
Out of curiosity, do you have any examples of stuff you watch that was ruined?
Nothing for me, yet…but I am very disturbed by how quickly this Fallout situation has moved. That’s what prompted me to finally make this meme, even though I’d thought about it several times before.
The thing is, the show is obviously very high quality. I’ve only seen the first episode, but it really hit all the marks as a great show, already. I’m not the most hardcore Fallout fan, but I’ve played Fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4. And the VR version of 4. And a bit of Fallout 76. And a little bit of Brotherhood of Steel, which everyone hated for good reasons.
I haven’t been spoiled for it, so I don’t know if this error in the timeline, continuity problem, plot hole (or whatever) is something that came up in the first episode (and I didn’t even notice it) or if it comes up later in the show.
The point is, the show is good, which is a VERY RARE FEAT, within the video-game-to-scripted-screen-adaptation world. But instead of appreciating the overall good quality, these people started pitching a fit about timelines and canon issues. That still wouldn’t have bothered me…but then came the VERY PROMPT response, from Todd Howard.
I am very disturbed by how quickly he was shoved out in front of a camera, to beg everyone’s pardon. “No, no, no, you’re right. New Vegas is still canon. Don’t worry.”
You realize what this means, don’t you? The MONEY PEOPLE frantically texted Todd Motherfucking Howard, and directed him to make that response. In other words, these turbo-whiners basically have a seat in the writing room, for Season 2 of this show.
Instead of writing what they want to write, instead of making decisions on their terms, they will have to make every future episode of the show with the knowledge that their bosses are now watching closely to see if the lore-freaks have been antagonized, once again.
They have to write CAREFULLY, so as to make sure they don’t make any further “mistakes” or “errors” or “retcons” or whatever it was. Writing carefully is not writing creatively.
Nerds have always known the lore better than the writers. Up until now, they have been ignored. But now, as I said, they have a seat at the table. A world in which they are constantly pandered to is a world where writing gets shittier and shittier, every season.
I predict that Season 2 of the Fallout show will be markedly lower quality, because the writers will be incentivized to merely provide a scrupulously, obsessively “faithful” lore documentary, rather than a real, creatively driven, dynamic plot.