• SamboT@lemm.ee
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    I’m all for american self-depreciation but:

    “34% of adults who lack proficiency in literacy were born outside the US.”

    https://www.thinkimpact.com/literacy-statistics/

    I hate to extrapolate data as an idiotic internetter but being born in the US and being illiterate could also be because we have so many immigrants that aren’t set up for success right away and aren’t as concerned with education as they are with meeting their most basic needs.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigration-by-country

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      Even if you excluded them (which seems like a very us-foreign-policy approach) these people are only illiterate because they’re from brown countries", you still have an education system where 13.9% of people are coming out illiterate.

      I’m all for american self-depreciation

      I am not american amerikkka

      because we have so many immigrants

      Nice of you to edit in the part that confirms you’re not just a nationalist, but a racist too.

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        Lol damn you don’t have to call me racist. I’m not, and just saw someone using a pretty general statistic to imply American education is terrible or something. I’m just someone who sees appropriation of incomplete information to create a half baked idea that makes people feel like they understand something complex when in reality we are all probably wrong in this thread. Such is the internet though.

        And I was talking about my own opportunity to self depreciate, and wasn’t assuming anyone elses nationality.

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        Could first/second generation immigrants born in the US be more likely to be illiterate? Is the American education system simply bad at teaching kids to read? No idea.

        I just have a compulsive personal issue with people using data like they are justified to say they know what causes the statistic they quote. I realize social media is more of a way for people to get a little dopamine instead of trying to understand the world but I’m okay getting downvoted to add context lol.

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          Were you adding context though? Does it justify the situation if a percentage of people are migrants (who often are fluent in a language above the given literacy btw.)?

          For real literacy skills in the US are a huge problem, it is a systemic problem of which the burden is heavily placed on individuals that are marginalized. Neolibs might quote:

          It is estimated that these negative social and economic outcomes cost the United States $362.49 billion annually.

          I say watch the whole Parenti lecture if you can: https://twitter.com/a_lutacontinua/status/936363027502391298?lang=de parenti

          “Yellow” Parenti lecture

          Parenti’s questions:

          • What happens to the people that can’t read in the US?
          • What happens to the children (who don’t have food) in the US?
          • What happens to the people without houses in the US?

          Edit The fascists mentioned for example were the right wing Nicaraguan death squads, you can find more about them in the Jakarta method