• Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
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      9 months ago

      Why is commercial power so cheap and residential so expensive? We could fix two problems by balancing that back.

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    9 months ago

    Whoever Satoshi was, I wonder how he’s responding to the thought that he’s personally contributed more to global warming than the average billionaire.

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            9 months ago

            Including everything, about a million times less energy per transaction than crypto.

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        9 months ago

        The banking industry uses at least 50x more, right?

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          Lets talk about the bank branchs, data centers, and energy consumption vs crypto.

          "Research has found that bitcoin miners alone consume approximately between 60 to 125 TWh of energy annually, which is equivalent to around 0.6% of global electricity

          “Traditional banks’ total annual energy consumption of traditional banks is around 26 TWh on running servers, 26 TWh on ATMs, and 87 TWh from an estimate of 600k+ branches worldwide. Totaling 139 TWh.”

          Not to mention banks impact on people’s lives. Limited purchasing power of the poor and soon to join them middle class… to purchase disposable products. Like the old tale of buying a expensive boot vs a cheap one.

          I’m all for less power usage … but seems like a witch hunt compared to what banking gets away w. It’s the the first time banks can point the finger at someone other then themselves.

          https://www.iyops.org/post/energy-consumption-cryptocurrency-vs-traditional-banks

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            9 months ago

            A system used by everybody, and a system still used by a tiny fraction of the population are using a comparable amount of energy?

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        9 months ago

        Crypto isn’t a currency, it’s a commodity for trading. One that doesn’t physically exist. No inherent use and no inherent value.

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          The vast majority of “real” currencies are fiat currencies and don’t have inherent value or use either.
          US dollar hasn’t been backed by gold since 1971, for example.
          The only reason money has any perceived value at all, is because it’s collectively agreed to have some value. Just like crypto currencies.

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            But there’s so few uses of actually buying things with crypto. People don’t use it as a medium of exchange outside of illicit goods and money laundering. We’re more than a decade into this and using crypto to buy a pizza is still a novelty.

            A major proof of this is that FTX collapsed and took a chunk of the crypto market out with it. The market at large shrugged this off. If it were actually linked in to the broader economy, then it would have had similar ripple effects to a major US bank failing.

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              I, personally, use crypto to do art commissions (I’m an artist) and to pay my VPS’s rent. Neither is an illicit good or related to money laundering.

              And, honesty, it’s pretty great, compared to alternatives.
              Last time I’ve used PayPal, it decided to withhold the funds for a month, for whatever reason. Plus, the transaction fee was about a dollar.
              Transferring the same amount of money via Monero is guaranteed take only about a minute or two to process, since a transaction in that system would never get withhold, plus the processing fee would be about a hundred times smaller.